Was the guy who killed (abortion doctor) Dr. Tiller a terrorist?

I think the comment " the real threat these days is right wing extremists" is just made to stir up comments and probably said with a with a wink. Americas greatest threat to national security resides at 1600 something

In my opinion, the greatest threat to America is the guy running it these days.

 

When the president takes the oath of office and "swears to protect and defend" the United States and Constitution, make no mistake...that is the NUMBER ONE job of the federal government.

What B.O. is doing by appeasing the muslim world who are the worst threat against western civilztion since the Nazis of the 1930's is indeed troubling.

But...his supporters view him as a God and he will do no wrong in their eyes.

 

I have asked and asked for anyone on this forum to show me were President Obama has Appeased Muslims and guess what I am still waiting

 

Well DeOrc it depends on what one defines as appeasing. Seems to be, dare I say it?, a very liberal translation of that here on PRWE.

The mere mention of even opening a dialogue with our enemies is quickly construed as appeasing. Why try and solve anything diplomatically after all. Other Presidents have tried it and ALL were failures.

Muslims are animals after all so why consider letting any live? Are you and I appeasers? I reckon I am as there's a Muslim school near my home and I have never once even considered firebombing it.

It is, as is so often pointed out with "facts", that Muslims will only stop when world domination is achieved. Following this inarguable logic we should start the heavy nuking immediately. The rest of the world would applaud us for taking the initiative I'm sure.
On the other hand some may find the clouds of nuclear material floating toward their countries as somewhat offensive and bring it on over here.

Still, as long as you're not an appeaser it's justifiable.

 

Yet when these self same Muslims were fighting the Evil Russians in Afghanistan they were our Brave and honrable allies and we were happy to train and arm them When the Pakistani army sat on its collective behind and did nothing we gave them billions, when our dear beloved Saudies paid for the training of terrorists we did nothing LOL I can go on all day

 

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Even Winston Churchill was reported to say that he would have gotten in bed with the devil (in his case, the Soviet Union) if that meant defeating Hitler. We supported the Afgan fighters in the early 80's because the Soviet Union was deemed more of a threat than radical islam at the given time.

Good, bad or otherwise...when fighting wars, sometimes countries or groups that form up a coalition may be allies at one time, only to be enemies at another.

When you underestimate your enemy's resolve to fight and die for their cause (in islam's case, their religion), you will lose. We should never lose sight of that.

 

Oh so then they were Afghan fighters but now Muslim Animals? what about the terrorists who were blowing up aircraft and killing innocents they were on the same side as those brave Afghans and not all of them were Muslim either.

 

The Mujahideen (which means muslim warrior animals engaged in a jihad) in Afghanistan were, and still represent the some of the worst in the religion of islam. They are devouted to everything muslim as their terrorist prophet intended. They were killing our enemy.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Just like we fought with Stalin and the Russians against Hitler...supporting the Mujahideen was pretty much the same philosophy we undetook when we fought with, and supported the Soviet Union against the Nazis.

 

Midas,

You're actually showing a bit of lucidity here. Yes, we did back the Afghanis against the Soviets.
We have, indeed, followed the enemy of my enemy is my friend theory.

What we HAVEN'T done is turn around and attack our "enemy/friend" as soon as mission was accomplished. We didn't attack the Soviets after WWII did we? Did we try and anihilate every communist on the planet?

Communism is "evil" isn't it? Would you want it here? I'm thinking you wouldn't based on the rhetoric you spout.

I mean really, if the enemy of my enemy is my friend, when all is said and done we should not just be killing any and all Muslims but EVERY communist too (and there's a LOT of Chinese out there). After all THEY ARE OUR ENEMIES.
May as well drag Socialists into this too. Look what Obama and the Socialists are doing to this country for cripes sake!

ALL of these groups are a threat to you aren't they Midas? Muslims, Communists, Socialists? - yet you rail most strongly against the Muslims then try and tie the others in with them it seems.

You have the great capacity to share photos that you have pulled from all over the internet. You "bless" us with your interpretations of the Koran.
DUDE. Anyone can do that for any cause they choose.

So tee off on me with your "you're a Liberal" banter. Use the key words like "appeaser" but as usual NEVER really explain, answer or really document anything you say.
You know - the stuff you accuse everyone else of doing.

Oh and one more thing and I quote you.

"The Mujahideen (which means muslim warrior animals engaged in a jihad)"

Is that in a dictionary somewhere? A Koran? A Bible?

 

Midas all these attacks you chronical, who are most of them aimed against? and why would that be?


For those who would like the answer today
The majority of the attacks are aimed at other muslims
The reasons are two fold
1 they are of a different sect
2 they oppose those carrying out the attacks and openly say so

But folks Midas wont tell you that as it dont make Muslims look bad

 

There was something called the "cold war" immediately after World War II.

History has showned we, freedom and capitalism, WON that war. Since the Russians could not keep up with defense spending without making their citizens stand in line for bread hours upon hours, they folded...like a high stakes poker game.

As for the "The Mujahideen (which means muslim warrior animals engaged in a jihad)"

I added animals after the word "warrior", you can look up the definition of the word Mujahideen pretty much anywhere.

The Mujahideen is just ONE of 100's of islamic animal terror groups that are all active to promote islamic jihad (as per the koran).

Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) Also known as Fatah Revolutionary Council, Revolutionary Council, Revolutionary Council of Fatah, Al-Fatah Revolutionary Council, Fatah-the Revolutionary Council, Black June, Arab Revolutionary Brigades, Revolutionary Organization of Socialist Muslims, Black September, Egyptian Revolution, Arab Fedayeen Cells, Palestine Revolutionary Council and Organization of Jund al Haq

The main goal of the ANO is the destruction of Israel and the creation of an independent Palestinian state.

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) Also known as Al Harakat Al Islamiyya (AHAI), Al Harakat-ul Al Islamiyya, Al-Harakatul-Islamia, Al Harakat Al Aslamiya, Abou Sayaf Armed Band (ASAB), Abu Sayaff Group, Abu Sayyef Group and Mujahideen Commando Freedom Fighters (MCFF)

Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) is a militant organization based in the southern Philippines. It seeks a separate Islamic state in Mindanao for the country's Muslim minority.

Al Jihad (AJ) Also known as Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ)

This is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Its objectives are to overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state, and to attack United States and Israeli interests in Egypt and abroad.

Al Qaida Al Qaida is the central component of a network of Sunni extremist groups. It functions as an umbrella organization with branches in the Middle East, Africa, and Central Asia. Al Qaida is committed to overthrowing secular governments in Islamic countries and using force to eliminate all Western influences in these countries.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade (AAMB) Also known as Al-Aqsa Intifada Martyrs' Group, Al-Aqsa Brigades, Martyrs of al-Aqsa group, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Battalion and Armed Militias of the Al-Aqsa Martyr Battalions

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade (AAMB) is an armed Palestinian group associated with the Fatah organization.

Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (AGAI) Also known as Islamic Group, (IG)

Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (AGAI) is a militant Egyptian movement that strives to overthrow the current Egyptian government, through force, and replace it with an Islamic state.

Al-Ittihad Al-Islam (AIAI) Al-Ittihad Al-Islam (AIAI) is an Islamic organization that engages in terrorism in Somalia and Ethiopia. Guided by the goal of creating a theocracy based on Islamic law, the AIAI seeks to unify all Muslims in the region under the banner of creating a 'greater Somalia'.

Ansar al-Islam (AI) Also known as Partisans of Islam, Helpers of Islam, Supporters of Islam, Soldiers of God, Kurdistan Taliban, Soldiers of Islam, Kurdistan Supporters of Islam, Supporters of Islam in Kurdistan, Followers of Islam in Kurdistan

Ansar al-Islam (AI) is a radical Sunni para-military group composed of Iraqi Kurds, Arabs and others. The group was established in September 2001 as a result of the merger of several Kurdish Sunni groups. It follows the same extremist interpretation of Islam as Al Qaida.

Armed Islamic Group (GIA) Also known as Groupe islamique armé

The Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is a radical Sunni group based in Algeria. The GIA's primary objective is to overthrow the Algerian government and replace it with an Islamic state.


Asbat Al-Ansar ("The League of Partisans") Also known as
Osbat Al Ansar, Usbat Al Ansar, Esbat Al-Ansar, Isbat Al Ansar and Usbat-ul-Ansar

Asbat Al-Ansar is a Lebanon-based Sunni extremist group composed primarily of Palestinians with links to Al Qaida and other Sunni extremist groups. The group's goals include eliminating perceived anti-Islamic and pro-Western influences in Lebanon and establishing a radical Islamic regime in the country.


Shoot...I am not even done with the "A"s...but please continue to reach out to these animals...

 

Certainly there are a number of groups active but it is unknown the number who are members and even if a group uses more than one name so what exactly is your argument?

Abu Nidal Organization was part of the secular left wing and not a religious based movement, oh and Nidal was believed to have been killed on the orders of Sadam Hussain

You again fail to answer the question about the attacks and sidestep that issue with a post about nothing realy?

Are not the majority of those attacks that you so happily number for us attacks against other muslims?

 

Do the math...I dug this up for you so you can examine the sure numbers of the muslm mess:

There are between 1.2 and 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Half are women. While a substantial percentage of Islamic women support jihad, less than one in fifty Islamic terrorist acts is actually perpetrated by a female. That leaves us with a maximum pool of jihadists that is just over 50% of the total population.

The overwhelming preponderance of terrorist acts are conducted by young Muslim men 15 to 30 years old. This age bracket covers about half of the male population of the Islamic world, leaving us with a potential jihad pool of 25% of all Muslims - approximately 300 million people.

The most logical way to determine the percentage of Muslims who are salafi/fundamentalists - a precondition to jihad - is to consider the most recent elections in Islamic countries. For example, the fundamentalist Islamic group Hamas received 65% of the popular vote in "Palestine." The somewhat secular Fatah, at least by comparison to Hamas, won only 30% of the votes.

While he was not popularly elected, Turkey's president, Ahmet Necdet Sezar, is a fundamentalist Muslim. Turkey's parliament, which selected him by a 70% majority, is formed as a result of a popular mandate and it is predominately comprised of fundamentalist Muslims. Turkey's Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is the nation's most popular leader. He is a convicted felon who believes: "Mosques are our barracks, domes are our helmets, minarets our bayonets, and believers our soldiers." He won a landslide victory in 2002 - and Turkey is considered to be the most moderate Islamic state by apologists like you??

In Lebanon, politicians got all excited when 50,000 people marched in support of democracy. The following week when 500,000 people protested in support of Islam/Submission, the percentage of fundamentalist Muslims became clear.
Fundamentalist Islamic candidates in the most recent Iraqi elections, those individuals who belonged to clerical parties like the Islamic Revolution in Iraq founded by Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani, won 65% of the seats in the new parliament.

While opinion surveys can be suspect, and are often tainted by the manner in which a question is phrased, there are two that are worth mentioning. Opinion polls taken by the British Government reveal that 70% of Iraqis think killing Americans is justified, something that is impossible to justify outside the conditioning of fundamentalist Islam. The rising death toll of American troops and stunning escalation in terror in Iraq give credence to those numbers. Polls taken in Pakistan, where bin Laden is being harbored, reveal that 70% of Pakistanis view the world's most famous Islamic terrorist very favorably. In fact, Osama has become the most popular name for boys in the region.

Therefore, based upon the most objective data available to us, at least 60% of all Muslims have the potential to be jihadists by way of their fundamentalist voting patterns. That is to say, Islam has grown substantially closer to its salafi, and thus terrorist, roots over the past decade. It is safe to say that 750 million Muslims are fundamentalists trying to follow Allah's orders and Muhammad's example.

And as fundamentalists, they are potential jihadists.

If the 60% response levels derived from polling data is an accurate reflection of the current state of Islam, then sex and age criteria further reduce Islamic terrorist candidates down to a maximum of one in every seven Muslims - 25% of 60%. That means that no more than 15% of the total Islamic population of 1.2 to 1.5 billion people has the potential to be a terrorist should the opportunity arise. That equates to a minimum of 180 million potential jihadists and a maximum of 225 million.

But when it comes to actual jihadists, to those who have or will commit an act of terrorism in Allah's name, research suggests that they represent no more than one in one hundred of the 180 million young fundamentalist Muslim men prepared mentally, morally, and spiritually to be terrorists. That means that there are 1.8 million actual Islamic jihadists on the planet today - a number which could jump one hundred fold almost instantaneously should the opportunity arise.

Middle East experts say that there are no less than 130 million Islamic jihadists but I don't believe that is possible because there haven't been sufficient jihadist attacks over the past 20 years for that many Muslims to be engaged in the business of killing people for Allah. The potential pool of jihadists, however, is reasonably close to their estimate. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch is on another planet with his estimate of as many as 650 million jihadists - one in every two Muslims.

Before you get a warm and cozy feeling, thinking that only 60% of Muslims are sufficiently indoctrinated in fundamentalist Islam to be a terrorist should the opportunity arrise, and that only 25% of those Muslims are the appropriate age and sex to actually engage in jihad, let's consider some recent historical events. In 1917, less than 3% of Russians were Communists. Yet since that 3% was sufficiently corrupted by an immoral and ruthless religion (Socialist Secular Humanism), they quickly came to oppress the entire nation - murdering 30 million Russians in the process. In 1924, less than 3% of Germans were Nazis. And yet since that 3% was sufficiently corrupted by Hitler's "People's Religion" as it was immorally and ruthlessly laid out in Mein Kampf, that 3% came to oppress the entire nation and led the world into a war that killed 50 million people.
Also keep in mind that while only 15% of Muslims are potential jihadists today, that percentage is growing rapidly.

Thanks to OPEC funding and clerical indoctrination, the Islamic world is becoming increasingly fundamentalist.

Tell me where I am wrong

 

Stop talking out of your rear end, your hatred is as bad as any that they put foreward. if there were so many muslim terrorists as you claim then we would be swimming in blood.
Go out and get a life before this hatred sends you over the edge.

 

Great retort...no facts other than the typical "hate monger"...

Before you raise your voice, why don't you reinforce your argument.

 

Do the math???? Do you say,'talk to the hand' also? 300 hundred million. Well then we dont stand a chance. What the hell are they waiting for? The numbers in your last paragraph are all wrong. Mein Kampf was not a blueprint of the Nazi regime. You can argue till november, but it wasnt.

 

Midas the only facts you recognise are those that you claim to be facts, anything else you happily twist to fit your theories or dismiss as irrelavant.

 

This thread is not really even about Muslims!

 

Then explain why Hitler's Mein Kampf is a BEST SELLER in the muslim world?



There are many similarities that are best represented by the fact that the German words “mein kampf” translate to “jihad-i”—or, “my jihad”—in Arabic.

True muslims walk hand in hand with Nazis. It may have not been a blueprint of the Nazi regime, but it was surely Hitler's dream...no differant than "true" muslims of today!

Explain that!

 

Oh. Now it may not have been. have been. And you were so sure in the previous post. Explain what? You made the comparison, not me.