Was the guy who killed (abortion doctor) Dr. Tiller a terrorist?

It seems like it fits the definition of terrorism. A violent act used against civilian(s) to achieve a political end. And if this is terrorism does this give some credence to Homeland security head Janet Napolitano's assertion that domestic terrorism is a major concern.
Add to this the notion that Bill O'Reilly (and other conservatives) fanned the fire of hate directed at this particular person who was later murdered for the very reason that these conservatives hammered on repeatedly. Does this give credence to the idea of some Homeland Security control over the ultra-conservative/terrorist outlets like Fox news?


http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=oreilly tiller&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#

 

At the very least the person responsible has commited a murder and yes I also think it can be seen as a form of terrorism.
No matter what your views on Abortion are the murder of someone is wrong. This man has been accused of murdering unborn babies (Very imotive subject) but does that give anyone the right to take his life without the due process of the law 1st been implimented? Simple answer NO How can anyone proffess to be a supporter of life yet KILL!!
If such a act is condoned then were do you draw the line? is it ok for a citizen to go out and decide to execute a person who does something that he disagrees with?

 

Danr, I think that your statement that fox news is somewhat responsible, is nonsense. Thats like saying heavy metal music contributes to teenage violence. I dont think he is a terrorist. A retard yes, but not a terrorist. But I think that the term terrorist is thrown around too liberally anyway.

 

Watch the vids on the provided link. Do you recall Rwanda and how the radio stations there urged the murder of the Tutsis? That is the type of thing that O'Reilly was doing. Watch the link.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001803/

 

LOL, yeah right, thats like saying that Al Gore is responsible for the UnaBomber, his book was found in the shack.

The shooter was not a right wing conservative, we are pro life, he was not and proved it by killing someone.

 

It was irresponsible (if not criminal) for O'Reilly to stir up so much hate against a specific individual (something that Gore has never done). O'Reilly did not pull the trigger but (like Charlie Manson) he did stir up the hate that led to this. Watch the above linked video

 

Despite my better judgement, I watched that link. Nowhere does O'Reilly say to kill that guy. Nor does he try to stir up a frenzy. Nowhere. I wished he did, because I cannot stand that phoney. You are trying to use the same tactics that those ultra right wingers use. Its unbecoming.

 

As I said, Charlie Manson never directly told anyone to kill. Yet he is ultimately responsible for whipping up the hatred that led to murder.

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001803/
This video has dozens of separate clips from various shows where he calls him Tiller the baby killer and executioner of babies and such. Simply put you are wrong.


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O'Reilly Said Tiller Guilty Of "Nazi Stuff"
by Turkana

Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:22:06 PM PDT

There have been so many powerful and moving diaries about murdered humanitarian doctor George Tiller, and I have nothing to add. He was a great man. But some people fanned the flames of hatred against him, and bear particular responsibility for having helped to incite today's act of domestic terrorism. Gabriel Winant, in Salon:


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But there's no other person who bears as much responsibility for the characterization of Tiller as a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly thanks to the collusion of would-be sophisticated cultural elites, a bought-and-paid-for governor and scofflaw secular journalists. Tiller's name first appeared on "The Factor" on Feb. 25, 2005. Since then, O'Reilly and his guest hosts have brought up the doctor on 28 more episodes, including as recently as April 27 of this year. Almost invariably, Tiller is described as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Tiller, O'Reilly likes to say, "destroys fetuses for just about any reason right up until the birth date for $5,000." He's guilty of "Nazi stuff," said O'Reilly on June 8, 2005; a moral equivalent to NAMBLA and al-Qaida, he suggested on March 15, 2006. "This is the kind of stuff happened in Mao's China, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union," said O'Reilly on Nov. 9, 2006.

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http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller/

 

Is there any proof that the guy that killed Tiller was an avid viewer of O'Reilly? My guess is no. And your comparison to Manson is off also. Manson had followers which he kept high on acid, in effect, brainwashing them. In all those clips you linked, not once did that jagov O'Reilly say someone should kill the guy. If there is a clip that shows him asking someone to murder Tiller, then all your ranting will be justified.

 

The wackjob gunman is in custody and is a killer off the streets. For life probably, excellent.

We now have a suspected murder and a serial killer of the streets. Whats so wrong with that other than it was vigilante hate that put an end to Tiller the serial murderer, instead of the courts.

One was murder for some kind of misdirected reasoning, the other was serial murder for money.

When you talk of media stirring up hate, it reminds me of the crowds in a fervor in front of the AIG exec homes. Same thing, the left stirred that tho so it's ok? They had to hire bodyguards for their wifes and kids.....

I am in no way standing up for the AIG gang

 

It is a highly charged emotional issue and O'Reilly heightened those emotions with a most incendiary constant barrage of murderous propaganda against a specific individual. If you can't connect those dots then you can't connect the dots in the Manson case (again Manson never told anyone to commit murder). If you think that the trigger man in this O'Reilly case was not a Fox news viewer you are simply wrong. Fox news is the preferred news outlet for the pro-life types.

 

What is the favorite media outlet for the anti life crowd? I know, I know, it is " pro choice " that you prefer, but really....

Not going to go any further here, just making my point.

This guy did not abort 2 week old embryos or 2 month embryos, he birthed babys after manually turning them breech, then delivering them to the neck and injecting a chemical to kill them. Thats an " abortion " ?????? 8 month babys? 7 month babys? He was a third trimester serial killer. For money.

How many innocent civilians has Tiller taken off the street? I know the leftys love the innocent civilian thingy.....at least when W was in office they did.



Either way, shooting him was wrong and illegal. I hope the shooter is punished with the full impact of the law. Murder is not ok in any way shape or form.

 

Tiller was a SOB, but so was O'Reilly

 

I'll agree with you Dan. Glad to see it.

O'Reilly is a hack as well, but did not at all cause this murder to take place.

 

..on this we will agree to disagree. He has a substantial role without which this may not have happened.

 

Ultimatelly it's words folks. I'm no fan of O'Reilly but even if he had said something like "Somone should shoot this guy" it would only be words. How one disturbed individual takes those words can not be controlled.

I'm reminded of a book written by my favorite author. Anyone heard of Rage by Stephen King? A story about a kid in high school that goes on a shooting spree. Well, a kid did it and a copy of this book was found. Is that Stephen Knng's fault?
I never read the book and finding a copy now is pretty tough I reckon. Perhaps some day I will.
I've read a lot of his stuff.
In "The Dark Half" a character beats a man to death with his own prosthetic arm. I've never had the urge to nor done that.
In "Misery" there is a horrible hobbling. I've never had the urge to nor done that.

Sure, his stuff is fiction. O'Reilly, Tiller and his murderer are real but I've always looked at it this way.
The actual act of commiting a murder is murder as our laws put it. Tiller may have been the killer to many but it was seen as legal. Not saying I agree with it at all just pointing this out.
O'Reilly has the right to rant and people have the right to watch. People have the right to read. Are we not doing that here on PRWE?

Stemming freedom of speech, whether or not we agree with it, is not a path to follow. Media is a joke for the most part and that can be said for both the left and right.

Bottom line is a whacko is a whacko. Eventually they lose it. Then it really becomes news and finger pointing.

An abortion doctor is dead and his murderer is facing charges. It will happen again.

 

Actually Manson did tell ''the girls'' to kill. Please stop compaing him to O'reilly. It makes Manson seem real bad. Youre just guessing that the guy watched O'Reilly. But you dont know. ''The preferred news outlet of the pro-life types.''. What the hell is that? And I am sure I know more about the Manson family than you know about O'Reilly. As for anyone zeroing in on the victim; Tiller did nothing that was illegal. Whatever your views, abortion is not a crime.

 

Typical far left radical propaganda.
This baby killer that was murdered was no different than a pedophile or any other twisted criminal. Do I condone his murder? No. Do I mourn his death? Absolutely not. One less serial killer off the streets.
Anyone else find it ironic that his death ocurred in a Church of all places?

 

What I find most impressive here is that we have hardcore opposite's on the opinion of a very provacative and controversial subject, yet we have been able to avoid the hate and name calling, the anger and the ranting. We have discussed this on an opinion based level, with some semblance of intelligence and respect for each other.

This alone shows me that this forum is making progress away from the vile and vitriol that plagues so many other forums. Way to go guys.

Some here like to post very " edgy " threads and invite controversy ( that is the goal of this site, I am in no way condemning it) , but after the last 08' election, I dont think many of us are taking the bait. We can discuss our side in an orderly and respectful way. It got rough, and we all learned a lesson.

That folks, is a success in my book.

 

The fact remains that O'reilly went on camera to a huge national audience and over 25 times on over 25 different shows, he picked out one individual and whipped up murderous emotions toward that person. Then that guy was murdered. The glove fits, you can't acquit.