Being a War Hero Doesn't Count Much in Politics Anymore

Discussion in 'Politics' started by PTD, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. PTD
    Fiendish

    PTD Administrator Moderator

    Seems to me, observing the last few Presidential elections, that being a war hero counts for nothing much these days. I was thinking about this on Veteran's Day, a couple days back, and I was just wondering if this is just my own myopic view or if anyone else sees what I see.

    Of course I was too young to observe, actually not even born yet, but I understand that a great deal was made of JFK's record in WW2. I also understand that Gerald Ford and George H W Bush had very distinguished records of service during WW2.

    Nixon served but didn't see action. Same with Carter. Clinton...yea we all know he didn't. George W Bush kept himself out of harms way.

    LBJ is a strange case, though he was in Congress when the war started, he requested to be sent to combat. I don't know the full story, but some people say that his silver star is the most undeserved medal in the history of the country.

    The most recent two losers in Presidential races had very distinguished military records, John Kerry and John McCain both serving in Vietnam. Maybe it's just that Vietnam vets get dissed so much, whereas WW2 vets were always seen as heros. Even if they weren't.
     
  2. Midas

    Midas New Member

    You forgot Bob Dole...he was "given" the nomination no differantly than McCain. He was almost left for dead during the Italian campaign in WWII.

    It is hard to campaign against those that redistribute wealth from the workers/producers to those that believe there are ENTITLED to somebody else's hard work.
     
  3. Toad

    Toad New Member

    What about the possibility that peeps worry that a former military person would be more apt to go to war over trying peaceful means to get the job done? I see the 2 Bush's didn't have a problem with War but in between them, we didn't go to war with Clinton. Do you not think people didn't notice this? Plus, with Kerry he was slandered in the end and that hurt him, which they tried again with Obama but after Kerry, the peeps found out the truth and it disgusted them to the point they don't trust slanderish candidates any longer. Look what happened to Dole? She slandered her opponent and lost! No one would have thought Dole was beatable but she's writing her resume now. :D

    Nonetheless, Vietnam could also be a factor. ;)

    Ribbit :)
     
  4. vess1

    vess1 "Birds of a feather...."

    IMO, military service barely registers on the radar to make a bit of difference considering the list of factors involved. Nobody is going to get a free pass vote from me over one issue, much less for military service.

    Preferably, if I'm going to vote for somebody, I'd like to be able to rattle off at least a handful of positive views they have that I agree with. Which is why I voted for the honorable Dr. Neither Obama, or McCain supporters I meet are able to do that yet people voted for them.

    From the small amount of knowledge I managed to gather about McCain, desperately trying to find some reason to support him before the election, the war hero fell short.

    Let's see......... Rich, elitist. Finished nearly dead last in his class if even that was legitimate. Flip flops on the 2nd amendment. Strong supporter now that's it's politically convenient. Proposed amnesty legislation for illegals with his good buddy Ted Kennedy, despite having first hand knowledge of the damage they cause.
    Irrational, hot headed. Declares "Vietnam could have been won had we stayed there longer." 72 years old. Picks unqualified running mate in a desperate attempt to steal votes in order to win at all costs which is democrat tactics. Hmmmmmmm. Nope. I think I'll pass.

    And after the election when Chuck Schumer asks if they (the dems) can have the "old John McCain back", I knew I had made the more intelligent choice to let the republican party go to hell this election for their stupidity and brace for a long 4 years of B.S. The election process isn't there for me to vote for one tyrant against another.
     
  5. Stu Joe

    Stu Joe New Member

    I think it has a lot to do with the fact that both Kerry and McCain were not very good candidates. A lot of people do get a lot of experience leading as a military member but it is still a small part of what they are as a candidate.

    Also, I wonder if Kerry couldn't really talk up his military record much as he is a Democrat and that doesn't play well with them. As far as McCain, I would say his military record probably did help but not enough to make up for his other weaknesses.
     
  6. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    I agree , Kerry and McCain were horrible candidates, they lost on their own, and the Vet status may or may not have helped or hurt.

    No war during Clinton? If you ignore Kosovo and the many others I guess that counts, or if you ignore the unanswered attacks against us.

    I saw Snoop Doggy Dog on TV today. He says quote:

    "B-Rock O-Bizzle is the Fo=Shizzle, G, and thats a solid"

    what ever that means
     
  7. Toad

    Toad New Member

    War = we declared it and not that we assisted the U.N.

    Snoop? I haven't a clue what that boi iz saying. :confused:

    Ribbit :)
     
  8. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Let us not forget that John Kerry diluted his service to his country right after the war by hooking up with Hanoi Jane and protesting. Let us not forget also that he got "Swiftboated" by the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth or whatever.

    Whatever you can say about McCain and his politics, you cannot dilute his service and loyalty to his country. He at least saved the flipflopping for when he got into politics later on.
     
  9. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Not only is military service diminished but outright terrorism & sedition are revered by our new King. Jeremiah Wright, Lous Farakkan, Bill Ayers and the rest of his inner circle are enemies of the state yet the lefty loons vote the guy in and defend him when these associations are discussed.
     
  10. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Kerry also spoke out against his brothers in arms during that time.
    His actions were much like Obama's views on our soldiers today...yet some of you will still defend him.
     
  11. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    I myself believe nobody is qualified to be Commander In Chief until they have honourably served their country. Even if they served their countries military behind a desk and not a foxhole in some flea infested two bit country, they are still more qualified than the last two draft evaders we had as CIC's.

    I really believe that was what made George I so careful about Iraq I, he knew what combat was like - he even got shot out of the sky and was rescued by a sub. By comparison George II fouled up Iraq II like nobodies business. No planning, no thoughts about restoring infrastructure and government etc.
     
  12. Danr

    Danr New Member

    There are many forms of service. It is possible that a community organizer has provided greater service than a front line grunt.
     
  13. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney ¿Quien sabes?

    Uh, but for the most part unless they served in the 'hood, they do not have people shooting at them.
     
  14. Danr

    Danr New Member

    I know a few guys who have been in combat and none of them buy into that romantic bs image of it. They say it was totally stupid and they were stupid for getting themselves in that position. They all regret it.
     
  15. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Key word: few
     
  16. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Come on do any of you honestly think that military service should automaticly put one in line for the top job LOL if so I am sorry but you dont know some officers LOL, yep there are some good ones but by the same token there are those who coudnt find there way to the head without a guide. There is a massive difference between Civilian administration and that a Soldier/Sailor/Airman is use to, for starters you can not throw someone in the brig if they disagree with you :D
     

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