Trump's 28 Pount Peace Deal

Putin dressed in military garb boasted He will keep going till Ukraine is a Ruusian Puppet State. Zelenskyy smartly rejected it. The rest of NATO/ EU did likewise. So it will go into trash bin
Capitulation would mean end of Ukraine/ millions under Russian yoke. Also Putin would use time to upgrade war machine attack Baltics. Then what? A Peace Deal" to scumbag Putin to annex them? Next target Poland? Insanity at its best. Kellogg quit!

 

My 5 point "Peace Deal" too Ukraine.....

Russia most remove their troops from all Ukrainian Territory (1991)

Russia must pay full war reparations for damage/ death/ pollution they caused with their invasion. The cost of reconstruction Russia must pay 5 Trillion EUROS.

Sanctions/ trade embargos will stay in place until full amt. is paid to Ukraine


Ukraine admitted into EU/ NATO

NATO forces will be stationed within Ukraine to prevent further Russian aggression.

It only took me 50 seconds to write that down Steven Witkoff take a hint.

 

In other words, I would not cower down to Putin and his MAFIA cabale in the Kremlin. Seems this happened before when FDR allowed another monster to murder 12M Kulaks in the 1930-34 Russian imposed ethnic cleansing aptly called Stalin's famine. Here the Russians took all the grain/ food by force (shootings/ rape/ torture) Even the Red Air Force carpet bombed villages that resisted, OGPU secret police did rest. Trump seems afraid of WW3, well by giving the creep in the Kremlin everything on a golden platter will just embolden Him to invade Baltics/ then we do have an Article-5 problem And Putin would force Ukrainians into his army.
Melania needs to enlighten the guy on world affairs.

 

Looks like NATO head/ EU Nations do not support Putin-Trump Pact of 2025. German newspaper had Putin (puppet master) manipulating Trump to do his bidding. Seems Reps are not onside and will force Johnson to ratify tough anti Russian sanctions bill....about friggin time. On the commonsense Front Macron is preparing France for total War vs Russia. Germany is building up strongest armed forces in Europe to take on Russkies when they invade Baltics. Maybe US should pay heed, instead of thinking Russians are nice, which they are not.

 

I get the sense based on many of Trump's "peace deals" that he's interested in immediate stops over lasting solutions. He seems to think it better serves his own legacy.

 

I’ll take Trump’s immediate peace as opposed to Biden’s lingering war.

 

Does it work in practice though? It's weird the U.S. media stopped talking about it but look up Israel/Gaza. That "peace deal" lasted all of a week.

 

Hamas is teaching Trump and the rest of the world that the only Israel/Gaza peace deal that will last is one that erases Hamas completely.

 

To the point of this thread, do you think Russia will be better at keeping their word? Should a deal be made without Ukraine's involvement?

 

It’s the same in the case of Putin vs. Ukraine. Ultimately, that war will not end until Putin is gone. I do not mean removed from power either . . . I mean gone. Evil is evil, and we all know it.

That doesn’t make Zelenskyy right . . . It just makes him less wrong than Putin.

 

Wrong! This is "good vs evil" "Dictatorship vs Democracy" Taking out civilians vs military assets (Russians take pride in "Human safaris/ levelling apt. bldgs/ shooting civilians/ POWS/ torture chambers/ useing chemical weapons. There is no gray here.
Trump still dreams of "Peace in my Time".Michael McFaul former US ambassador to Russian Federation stated.....
The "real reason" for Putin's "SMO" was not preventing Ukraine joining NATO/ ending NAZI regime.
REAL REASON In 2014 Ukrainians overthrew Putin's Puppet after brutal crackdowns did not work. Right away Russians annexed Crimea. What Putin is afraid of is Democracy so close to home. Russia always was and is a brutal police state, "the Federation of Conquered Peoples" is only working thru fear based on secret police (FSB) Kremlin. Putin fears most that if Russians wake up and smell the coffee, that Putin and his cronies will be overthrown, and suffer same fate as Ghadaffy/ Hussein.
Trump can ONLY achieve "Peace" thru force of arms. He must initiate cripplying sanctions on Russia/ Belarus. Sell Ukraine Tomahawks so that they can incinerate Russian assets. Econom ic meltdown will destroy Putin. Germanys Defense Minister said, Russia must be utterly defeated in Ukraine and make them crawl back to Russian Territory. Only way to end this is "Regime Change" in Kremlin. You can not reward a monster for his genocidal crimes. Plus politically its a no brainer, 80% of Americans support Ukraine/ 1% traitors support Kremlin. So if you want to win Mid Terms/ send Tomahawks! Sadly most do not know their history, since 1918 68 M were murdered by Kremlin dictators. Thats a lot of killings.

 

Zelenskyy may be a fine leader in this war against Putin, but he is aligned with many of the corrupt Ukraine establishment, and should not remain in power once the war ends.

 

Zelenskyy I doubt has any involvement, he seems honest. However, when their is $$$$ corruption is not far away. Zelenskyy promised elections when Russia is defeated (hopefully) My feeling is that He would win a landslide victory. One must remember Putin's former puppet who fled to Moscow was totally corrupt. And......no one is more criminally corrupt then, Vlad the Poisoner" Putin has amassed Trillions, looted from Russian economy.
Another point, Trump points out that the Invasion would never had started with Him as President, that its Biden's War. To clarify, the War (invasion) started in 2014 when one Barack Obama was POTUS. But the fact remains, only one person on this planet is to blame, Vladimir V. Putin. He annexed Crimea 2014/ sent Russian troops to Donbas same year. Finally launched a full scale invasion in 2022. I would bet all my gold coin collection that had Reagan been POTUS in 2014/ Putin would have never annexed Crimea. Politically Trump is in a no win scenario appeasing a thug like Putin. Sanctions will cripple Russian economy, Ukrainian strike vs their oil/ gas/ pipelines/ tankers are even better. Be nice to see them develope missiles to take out stuff in FE Russia like their naval fleet/ sub bases. A world without the Russian menace is a better one. Thank God that the Regime in the Kremlin is/ was so blatantly corrupt/ all that stolen $$$ would have really upgraded their war machine, now they are refurbishing 1950s tanks. They lost 12K tanks so far/ in WW2 they lost 90K vs our guys who lost 7K

 

Sadly the divide in that region is a millennia old and may never be resolvable. But as an old man I see these things much differently now. As a young man I would have led the charge with guns blazing without hesitation. But the years have a way of molding a man’s perspective and the cost of conflict has become more difficult to bear. Not long ago a young lady served my family in a restaurant. She was excited because she was soon to be enlisted in the armed forces. That moved me very deeply to know that young happy vibrant lady with her entire life ahead of her would be bearing arms soon. Perhaps I am becoming an old woman in my old age… I don’t know. But I am far more comfortable supporting a POTUS that is spreading peace in the world than I am supporting one spreading hot lead.

 

While I agree, Trump's approach clearly isn't effective or lasting

 

Do you think that has the most to do with Israel, Trump or Hamas?

 

Petty blame doesn't matter results do, and this isn't the path.

 

This coming from the side of the aisle that has never brought us closer to peace in this region than Trump has.

 

So do I take it you support the plan for Russia?