It Has Begun

Let's add one more POTUS Trump victory. The long awaited Ukraine minerals deal.

And for the record, this particular announcement I'm posting isn't from FOX or Breitbart. It's from one of 'their' fake news networks.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ukraine-us-mineral-resource-deal-close-finalized/story?id=121315052

 

Cool cool, what exactly did the US get out of this deal? Remember how Trump was going on about how it was supposed to be back pay for our military aid?

How about the ceasefire tied to the deal?

 

How soon you forget . . .

 

Did the deal actually do that?

 

The mineral access deal is drafted, but the finance side of the agreement is neither signed, nor refined. As yet, I see nothing that limits our ability to recover our wartime expenses, and we clearly will gain access to critical minerals we desperately need.

 

Not even the section clarifying only new military aid can count as investment in these companies?

Furthermore, no mineral rights, just the ability to invest in the company getting them.

https://kyivindependent.com/the-full-text-of-the-us-ukraine-minerals-agreement/

 

As I understand the agreement, the United States maintains first right of refusal of mined product, and the right to determine the buyers, should we decline purchases.

At the risk of repeating myself, the finance half of the agreement is not yet completed, let alone signed. Zelensky can drag his feet all he wants in trying to swing those details to his advantage . . . that just prolongs the pain.

 

You're correct. Frankly I think it's a good agreement for both parties. However, it's a far cry from what Trump said he was going to do.

 

The details may yet escape you.

Part of the agreement indicates the U.S. will contribute financially and through military aid, including air defense systems. What remains to be seen is whether past military aid will be counted in that contribution.

 

That part specifically said "new" military aid

 

What, no response @GeneWright. Can’t have an intellectual conversation, or do you just know that you are wrong?

 

I wasn't interested in playing "I'm thinking of something, and you are wrong"

I can't read your mind, I asked you to explain your position and you kept coming back with homework instead. No thanks.

 

This is the problem with the education system. Too lazy to do “homework “ and won’t do research. How in the heck did you come up with your position? Obviously not from homework.

 

I don't even know what your position is because you're too cagey to share it. That's not the hallmark of an "intellectual conversation"

 

Think more critically.

Ukraine has not been forgiven its indebtedness for past US contributions to the war effort that were not granted. They are still on the hook for that.

The LP agreement stipulates only that new military aid will be honored at its assessed value. It says nothing ruling out credit for prior contributions of military aid at less than assessed value.

If Trump negotiates less than full recognition of those contributions within the agreement, that guarantees some level of partial recovery. I view that as preferable to hoping for full recovery of those amounts outside the agreement, where we stand in the same line with so many other nations.

 

Sure, I just wouldn't rush to celebrate the deal as is as some historic victory.

 

Who here called this agreement a historic victory?

As I recall, the first mention of Zelenskyy and Ukraine in this thread wasn't conservatives celebrating this deal, as much as it was you decrying the meeting leading up to it as being an "unmitigated disaster". Evidently, you sided with a guy who was willing to treat the USA only as a benefactor, and not as a partner . . .

 

I paraphrase, that meeting was definitely a disaster though, I stand by that.

 

It's very simple guys

 

In a manner of speaking, he's right. While it'll take time, the products we stop buying from China, we'll someday be buying from other sources, including American companies . . . some established, and some new. I've explained this before. Is repetition really necessary?