It Has Begun

The source of the upper one is the Salvadoran government

 

I must be missing something here. The USA deports an illegal alien back to their country of origin. The country of origin detains them for whatever that country deems is appropriate. Why then is the USA responsible for how these people are treated when they are returned to their respective countries?

 

1. Everyone in the U.S. is innocent until proven guilty, regardless of citizenship. You prove their guilt of being an undocumented immigrant in court.

2. The whole point of the El Salvador deal was their willingness to accept people from any country, not just Salvadorans. Many we are sending into these conditions are not even from El Salvador. But they'll work in Salvadoran prisons until they die. It's essentially a slave trade on anyone the U.S. government doesn't like.

 

Not in all cases. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF11357

 

Undocumented immigrants have no constitutional right to a trial.

Immigrants that provide evidence that they are citizens do.

 

I disagree. There are carve outs such as at ports of entry as in the link coinokc posted, but in general they do. They are to provide that evidence regarding their status at a trial.

 

To repeat what I've written elsewhere, I submit the only text preceding all Articles of and Amendments to the Constitution . . .

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
​

It is either erroneous interpretation or intentional misguidance on the part of legal minds that those rights are conferred upon illegal entrants. They most certainly are not.

 

The supreme court has definitely ruled it's anyone in the U.S. and not just citizens that have rights.



https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-3/ALDE_00013743/

There's carve outs (like at ports of entry), but not blanket rejection for not being a citizen

 

Did you ever take civics class? Better yet, did you even read what you posted? I highly recommend you learn who the 14th amendment applies to.

 

Quote directly from the website of the U.S. Senate:

Landmark Legislation: The Fourteenth Amendment
Passed by the Senate on June 8, 1866, and ratified two years later, on July 9, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment granted citizenship to all persons "born or naturalized in the United States," including formerly enslaved people, and provided all citizens with “equal protection under the laws,” extending the provisions of the Bill of Rights to the states. The amendment authorized the government to punish states that abridged citizens’ right to vote by proportionally reducing their representation in Congress. It banned those who “engaged in insurrection” against the United States from holding any civil, military, or elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate. The amendment prohibited former Confederate states from repaying war debts and compensating former slave owners for the emancipation of their enslaved people. Finally, it granted Congress the power to enforce this amendment, a provision that led to the passage of other landmark legislation in the 20th century, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Congress required former Confederate states to ratify the Fourteenth Amendment as a condition of regaining federal representation.

 

See, this ignornce scares me coming from a former officer (detective? Sorry in advance if I'm confusing you with someone else).

Anyway, what you're looming for is Yick Wo v. Hopkins, which extends protections explicitly to non-citizens

 

This entire argument is ridiculous. If this is the hill the dumbs want to die on, so be it. The MAJORITY of voters have already spoken on November 5th, 2024. If the narrative these morons want to push is the same exact narrative they pushed for four years with Briben, so be it. I'd be happy to contribute to the GoFundMe page to support those brain dead Congressmen/women to keep going to El Salvador to visit the MS13 terrorists all the way through the next election cycle.

We all know the definition of insanity. For the lone wolf in this crowd who doesn't seem to understand it, here ya go....

Insanity: The act of doing things over and over and expecting different results.

 

That wasn't the first time that SCOTUS got it wrong . . . Did you forget Roe v. Wade?

.​

 

Well, you may disagree, but it hasn't been fully overturned so that's what the law is.

 

The drafters of the 14th Amendment obviously didn't foresee traitors following the Rules for Radicals and inviting the wholesale invasion of our country under the guise of being asylum-seekers in order to overwhelm our systems. Had they foreseen this, they would NEVER have included "persons" within the Amendment.

Time and lots of conservative effort will right this ship.

 

Conservative effort in action:

 

And say they were transported to your mothers neighborhood. Would you still feel the same?

 

Sure. You should too, given many of those we're sending haven't even been convicted of crimes, much less violent ones. What the U.S. is doing is categorically wrong. I hope you will see that someday.