Al Qaida - a US puppet

Discussion in 'Politics' started by kathaksung, Jun 28, 2008.

  1. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Try actualy answering my question! and not regurgitating the same old song
     
  2. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Al Qaida works for US intelligence

    Because OBL is an asset of CIA. The so said Al Qaida is a puppet tool works for US intelligence. They work to the demand of US intelligence.

    When you try to frame a case such like 911, who will help you to make it look like a real one? The puppet Al Qaida will do. That's how you saw, the only 911 survived suspect Mousaoui (the only prepared witness) cried in court: "I'm Al Qaida". But is there anyone here can give us the story how Maosaoui joined the 911 attack? Even though Moussaoui was arrested before 911, at least there was a plan, how he joined the team? But nobody knows. The government tell you Maossaoui is Al Qaida, he was a member of 911 attack team. That's all. Why he was arrested weeks before 911 and government still not aware of that coming attack? Government never explain. Maossaoui's case was a soap play.

    But I can tell you that Maossaoui was in Oklahoma. Clues tell us that Oklahoma bombing was also similar to 911 attack - a false flag terror attack. DOJ had proposed proposal similar to Patriot Act after the bombing. Only they failed to pass that law in OKC bombing case but succeeded in 911 case. Maossaoui also was a friend of Nick Berg in OKC. Nick Berg was involved in a beheading case one week after the break off of Abu Greibu prison torture scandle. The beheading case was obviously another soap opera acted to distract the public attention. Both were in place where Feds needed them. Both were used to vilify Islamic and justify Bush's war policy.

    What did Al Qaida do? (the major one which caused public attention)
    1. Bombing WTC in 1993. Six people died.
    2. Bombing US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzabua in 1999. Though 2 hundred people died, only 12 of them were Americans.
    3. Bombing USS Cole in 2000. 17 US sailors died.

    None of these was big enough to touch off a war. Because the casualty was small or the target was government.

    Then Al Qaida (or its master) changed its tactic. They targetted at people. This strategy change happened after Bush took over the office. Or you can view it as the mastermind of the Al Qaida change its strategy when Bush is in power.

    4. 911 attack in 2001. 3 thousand people killed. Most were Americans. (The motive was to give Bush an excuse to start Mid-East war.)
    5. Bali bombing in October 2002. 2 hundred people killed. Most were Australians. (Same month when the House passed a bill to authorize President Bush Iraq war power. The motive is to push Australian joining the Iraq war.)
    6. Madrid bombing in 2004. 2 hundred people killed. Most were Spanish. (To push Spanish people supporting an US ally, Aznar, in election.)
    7. London bombing in 2005. Killed 52 Britons. (planned to justify coming terror attack in US.)
    8. Since 2005, when Al Qaida bombed Iraq Shiite Shrine in Samarra, a civil war started in Iraq. Then we saw many bombings each of which often killed tens to hundred of innocent civilians.

    We can see after 2001, Al Qaida mainly targets at innocent people. Why? Because thus people in panic willingly gave up their constitutional rights and and power and money to the ruling class.

    All these attackers after 2001 were died. Mostly unnecessary. (The bombers could leave the bomb there and ignit it by remote control.) Why? Because these "suicide bombers" were innocent, they didn't know they were sacrifice in the plot. Many of them might be informants of the government. But that was the best result for mastermind. A witness of their crime eliminated.

    It doesn't make sense to bomb innocent people. Even for religious extremest. What could Al Qaida get from killing innocent civilians?
    Kill poor people, what for? It only benefits those people who want to provoke hatred and conflict for more war.

    The flaw in 911 attack caused many suspicion from people. So this time the Inside Group prepared a big one - nuclear bombing which will caused the damage of the whole city and million's casualty at the hope that people won't believe government will activate such big attack.

    But they will. Because however big the attack is, the losers are always people. And, the government is always the winner - power and money. Don't you see what Bush and his group got after 911?
     
  3. Danr

    Danr New Member

    lol

    rotflmao
     
  4. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

  5. arizonaJack

    arizonaJack Well-Known Member

    I wish I could pull up the tin foil hat guy right now,lol. That would be me and David communicating about last nights Hannity show;) Poor Sean, Alan is leaving the show. Now wheres the balance on Fox News?

    Not Fair !!!!!!
     
  6. vess1

    vess1 "Birds of a feather...."


    Alan never had much to say anyway. Besides arguing against valid points for the sake of arguing for the show, and defending the corrupt.

    Hey, it's kind of like this forum!
     
  7. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld

    Following the trail for five minutes leads to Pentagon
    Steve Watson / Infowars.net | October 5 2006

    Related: Surprise Surprise, It's Another Al Qaeda Blockbuster Release <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/021006video.htm>
    Related: Atta's Father Says Video Fake, Credibility of 'Hijackers Tape' Crumbles <http://infowars.net/articles/October2006/031006faketerror.htm>
    U.S. Government Caught Red-Handed Releasing Staged Al-Qaeda Videos <http://prisonplanet.com/articles/october2006/051006redhanded.htm>

    Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld.

    The origin of the latest video, starring Mohammed Atta and flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, has been swept under the carpet by the mainstream media who bizarrely admit that the government has had the tape since late 2001 but still suggest it is a new release by Al Qaeda.
    Interesting also is the fact that in an NBC article <http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15082633/>, they admit that before receiving the "exclusive US analysis" of the London Sunday Times' tape, they had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the same tape of Atta earlier this year:
    "The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video “through a previously tested channel” but gave no further details. NBC News filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the videotapes early this year, but the Pentagon has not yet turned them over. "
    This is an open admission that it is the Pentagon that has released this tape and not Al Qaeda. this dovetails with our previous analysis that revealed that the footage has been seen before in a docudrama, the Road to Guantanamo, where it is shown to detainees at camp Delta as an intelligence surveillance tape.

    Along with experts on Islamic terrorist groups
    <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/031006Atta.htm> who are baffled by the video and have declared that it has come from a security agency, the very journalist who received the tape also says the source was not Al Qaeda.

    <http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/051006Atta.htm>
     
  8. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    It is also interesting that this journalist, Yousri Fouda is not only a Sunday Times journalist but also the London Bureau Chief of Al Jazeera. He is the guy who normally breaks all the Al Qaeda tapes anyway, so really the London Times connection is just a smokescreen.
    All evidence indicates that the tapes are provided to Fouda and Al Jazeera by As Sahab, the "production company" of Al Qaeda, via a group known as Intelcenter , who also SELL the videos online.

    Intelcenter normally have the tapes available for sale as soon as they are released, indeed in the past they have even predicted when they are going to get a tape before it is released <http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/07/new_al_qaeda_ta.html>, as they did with the second London bomber tape on the anniversary of 7/7.

    Intel center is run by Ben Venzke, who is an interesting character. A google search <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Venzke%2Bidefense> results in the revelation that he used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE which is a verisign company.

    IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things.

    It is also heavily populated with long serving ex military intelligence officials.
    The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website:

    Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College.

    So here we have a company that by it's own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts Rumsfeld 3 small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos.

    http://www.infowars.net/articles/October2006/051006Rumsfeld.htm
     
  9. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Al Qaida was only a data base in internet communication before 911. After 911, US needs a convenient target to be a false flag. They created Al Qaida and blame everything on it. Bin Laden becomes a natural leader of Al Qaida. A figure bears all sin of terror activity, yet can never been captured.

    Quote, "Al Quaeda is not a terror network

    Wayne Madsen

    Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

    "I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

    "Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.

    "For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'

    "In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.

    "It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.

    "[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base."

    The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."

    "In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.

    "In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force.

    Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.

    "These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.

    "Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases.

    It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.

    "Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.

    "Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.

    " . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.

    " Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.

    "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

    In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.

    http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
     
  10. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    It was called Mujaheddin when it fought against Russia. It is now called Al Qaida when US needs someone act as an terrorist.

    Quote, "The CIA's Jihad Last uploaded : Friday 28th Jun 2002

    In April, 1985, more than five years after the Soviet tanks first rolled into Afghanistan, President Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166, a secret order that called for the CIA to expel the Russians ‘by all means available.’ Over the next decade, the U.S. spent $10 billion to arm and train the mujaheddin. It was America’s largest covert operation since the Vietnam era.

    http://www.currentviewpoint.com/cgibin/news.cgi?id=11&command=shownews&newsid=294
     
  11. rld14

    rld14 New Member

  12. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Al Qaeda is More of a U.S. Propaganda Campaign than a Real Organization

    12/24/08
    Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote <http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development>:

    Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.
    Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative" <http://www.senate.gov/%7Eforeign/testimony/2007/BrzezinskiTestimony070201.pdf>.

    And see this Los Angeles Times Article <http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0111-31.htm>, reviewing a BBC documentary entitled "The Power of Nightmares" <http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm>, which shows that the threat from Al Qaeda has been vastly overblown
    (and see this article <http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1207-26.htm> on the people within the U.S. who are behind the hype).

    Not only has the U.S. government hyped Al Qaeda, but it has issued numerous fake terror alerts to scare people.
    <http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/02/everyone-knows-bush-has-issued-fake.html>

    http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/12/former-british-foreign-secretary-al.html
     
  13. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Quantanamo detainees (1/27/09)

    Quote, "The Defense Department has said as many as 61 former Guantanamo detainees -- about 11 percent of 520 detainees transferred from the detention center and released -- are believed to have returned to the fight."
    washingtonindependent.com/26969/those-61-gitmo-recidivists-keep-popping-back-up -

    1. These people were released under Bush regime. So Pentagon had purpose on it. Do you think the people like Rumsfeld and Bush would free extremists to fight against them? They are famous for torture, illegal detaining. More likely these are false flag "terrorist" trained by Pentagon's Guantanamo college. They will work for the interest of US intelligence.

    2. How do you know they were not brain washed, or recruited by US military or intelligence? The dirty bomb suspect, Padilla, was once designed to be the witness to prove Iraq related to dirty bomb plot, was recruited in prison. (The plan was soured after my revelation)

    3. When people are aware of that 911 was a false flag attack, this becomes a typical model that government manipulate the "terrorists" to squeeze money and power from people. European country has reason to refuse those Gitmo prisoners. They are likely false flag "terrorist" working for Pentagon and US intelligence. They will play the role like Bin Laden.

    This news may prove what I have said that Al Qaida exists where US intelligence dominates. They are protected and supported by Pentagon and Feds and work as a false flag to the US interest. That's why they are from Bin Laden (CIA trained Majahidden) Sadi, Pakistan (US allies) and Guantanamo. And none was from Iraq (Saddam's regime) Iran or Syria.

    61 from Guantanamo, it only proves Guantanamo becomes a big train center of the false flag terrorists.

    Al Qaida (or most other terrrorist group) exists where US intelligence dominates. Al Qaida in US when Bush needs excuse to activate Mid-east war. That is 911 attack. Al Qaida is everywhere in Iraq now to bomb innocent civilians when US occupies Iraq. Strange to say, under the Saddam regime, there was no Al Qaida. Al Qaida seems only exist where the regime being controlled by US. So we see no Al qaida in Syria and Iran. But they appears to attack ordinary people when the government either is controlled by US intelligence or supported by US intelligence. That's why you see Al Qaida attacks in US, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, in Iraq (after it is occupied by US). Because where they are protected by the intelligence, worked as a whip to beat people. When government want money and power, they beat the people with this whip (Al Qaida terror attack) People feel hurt then give up their civil rights and money to the government. DOJ got the Patriot Act and Pentagon got budget and Mid-east war.
     
  14. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Quote, "Fictional Al Qaeda
    <http://www.stewebbb.com/>

    Al Qaeda is nothing more than an extension of the operatus linked to US intelligence that was allowed, by script, to remove itself as a rogue break away entity of the US government, allowed to de-compartmentalise from oversight, and was run instead by Gary Best, rogue black ops specialists for scripted activity outside of the US Government, with its funding being orchestrated through the Pakistani secret police, an entity of the US Government itself.

    -- Tom Heneghan, 2004 Presidential Candidate, American Patriot and Federal Whistleblower.
     
  15. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

  16. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

  17. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Quote, "The War on Terror is a Hoax

    By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

    According to US government propaganda, terrorist cells are spread throughout America, making it necessary for the government to spy on all Americans and violate most other constitutional protections. Among President Bush’s last words as he left office was the warning that America would soon be struck again by Muslim terrorists.

    If America were infected with terrorists, we would not need the government to tell us. We would know it from events. As there are no events, the US government substitutes warnings in order to keep alive the fear that causes the public to accept pointless wars, the infringement of civil liberty, national ID cards, and inconveniences and harassments when they fly.

    The most obvious indication that there are no terrorist cells is that not a single neocon has been assassinated.

    http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts02042009.html

    So far it's true after eight years of "war on terror". But beware of one incident once they realize the flaw. To cover up thier plot, they may sacrifice one "unlucky" fellow.
     
  18. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Al Qaida's resource

    Any resistence needs resource. From money to ammunition. Vietcon had the support from two big powers - Soviet and China.

    Where did the support of Al Qaida come from? Not from Saddam's Iraq, Syria, Iran. If there was, US already beat the drum to invade. Al Qaida only prosperous in Iraq after it is occupied by US army. Because they are supported by pentagon and intelligence. Bin Laden's resistence is known as Mujahiddem before 911. Everybody knows it was trained and supported by CIA. Al Qaida was only a data base in communication for Mujahiddem before 911. After 911, to prevent people to link CIA from Mujahiddem, they created Al Qaida and since blame everything on it.

    But where did Al Qaida get the resource from? No nation dare to offend US - a super power. So the support must be from either from Alladin's magic Lantern or US secret budget.

    Quote, The head of Pakistan’s ISI, General Mahmud Ahmed, had ordered to wire $100,000 to the leader of 911 attack, Mohammed Atta through the hand of Omar Sheikh. This has been confirmed by the director of the FBI’s financial crimes unit, Dennis Lormel.

    Quote, " Musharraf names 9/11 suspect as possible British asset
    Fails to mention links to 9/11, ISI, CIA
    By Devlin Buckley
    © Copyright 2006,

    http://fromthewilderness.com/members/102506_possible_names.php
     
  19. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Who supplies Al Qaida?

    What excuse the Neocon uses to have US troops staying in Iraq? Insurgence and riot. Although some people said Iraq war is like Vietnam war, it is not. There were two big countries: Soviet Union and China behind the Vietnam. It was their support of weapons and economic aids which helped North Vietnam to win the war. There was none such support for Iraq. Iran and Syria, are much weaker and smaller than Soviet Union and China then. They themselves know they are the next target of the Neocon. They dare not to offend US by supporting the Iraq insurgence. To stay in Iraq, Neocon try to make a mess in Iraq - they need a civil war of Iraq. "

    Then who support the insurgence and militias and Al Qaida the weapon they need? To my analysis, there is only one suspect: US. which has motives and ability.
    The following news proved it's no others than US supplied weapon to the Iraqi insurgence and militias and Al Qaida, though media use the word "missing".

    Quote, "
    Do you have the conception how many is 190,000? It can arm a force bigger than the whole US occupation troop in Iraq. (170,000 after surge) Whom do you think are the receipants of these "missing" weapons?
     
  20. kathaksung

    kathaksung New Member

    Who supplies human resource to Al Qaida?

    None of the so said "19 hijackers" were from evil axis. They were all from US allies. Because only a friendly country will help US to frame a case, to cover up a forgery story and create misinformation.

    Quote, "Hijackers in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free ...
    Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt, and one from Lebanon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

    Yet Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Is that ridiculous?
     

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