evidence for a god

I meant Roman Catholic Church, sorry for the confusion

I also meant, there is no one who actually worships Zeus or Posiedon. Or no one belives in Mithiasm either (which was the religion of choice for roman's before christianity.)

 

Hmmm, some might still. What some do in jest, curiosity, or for holiday. Other's take very seriously...

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=36641
http://christiancerridwen.blogspot.com/

 

I think if you are looking for God on the internet, you probably aren't going to have a lot of luck.

 

The Sioux call the Great Spirit "Tunkashila" or the Creator.

 

Mithiasm was the warriors creed and not just a roman deity, one of the largest mithraic temples to still exist in part is here in London Practicaly every roman had what would be called a household god then they would have gods for different occasions. Now as for these deities no longer having a following I realy woudnt be so sure of that I dont know if you have ever been to a Green man festivle on may day? otherwise known as Beltane. Perhaps you go out and have fun on Halloween? also known as Samhain or how about Christmas ? again the pagan festival of Yule
The modern English word Yule likely derives from the word yoole, from 1450, which developed from the Old English term geōl and geōla before 899. The term has been linked to and may originate from the Old Norse Jōl, which refers to a Germanic pagan feast lasting 12 days that was later Christianized into Christmas (The last bit taken from wiki LOL) but do you see what I am getting at here some things might change name but are still celibrated. Dont assume that just because something is ancient it no longer has a following.

 

we may still have the customes.

But, heres my point:
can you show me one religion who still worships Zeus?

 

Worshiping Zeus, hmmm I don't know about that. While some gods may have gone dormant for awhile, can you prove (on the the hand) that some Greek or Cypriot fishermen still don't mutter "Poseidon" or "Zeus" when storm clouds build to the west and they are 30KM S-SE of Cyprus?

 

I can show you those who worship the Green Man is that pagen enough for you, or even Isis and Ra, then there is Shamanism. Why just go with the Greeks? There are tree worshipers and even those who claim to worship mithras Oh and I musnt forget the Druids. Would you like some more? instead of asking me to show you these things why dont you look for them? try visiting somewhere like Glastonbery LOL if you want to see alternate non mainstream religions.
Oh and here is one for Zeus just for you

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6283907.stm

 

And this brings it even more up to date

http://ancienthistory.about.com/b/2007/01/23/zeus-worship-in-athens.htm

 

Great links De Orc. Worship is like a set of spectacles, we all look thru them differently.

 

Quite true, but if you dont look then you dont see, I am not saying that any one religion is right or wrong I am just saying that they are out there the very old and the very new. How many know of the Cathars for example?

 

LOVE the links DeOrc.
EVERYONE HERE SHOULD READ THEM.

It really does show what extremes religion has come to. Greek Orthodox shun and condemn Zeus worship very harshly. Do they really give any reasons other than they don't agree therefore it's wrong?

How many times in how many cultures has this happened? It happened big time here in the good old USA. Native Americans had many beliefs and many Gods. They did pretty well before "others" arrived.

My stepmother was full blooded Sioux. Her mother married a Menominee chief. They got along fine.
Now my stepmother was not real traditional. I'll admit that. Her mother and stepfather were much more so however. Still she had the "blood" coursing in her veins.

The first time my dad visited his in laws on a reservation in Wisconsin he was advised to "stay away from the picture window". Not a lot of love for white men there. Even though he was the Chiefs son in law this was good advice to follow and he did.

My dad was not a saint. None of us are. When I look back on it he left my mother (who did not deserve this) and married a Native American.
I was 12 at the time and it was very difficult.

Mom never told us to hate dad and I thank her for this. Dad took care of all child support and alimoney as he should have. I really did have good parents and mom is still with us.

Eventually I did want to see my dad again. This meant seeing his wife as well and at that age this was tough. To me she was the reason my life fell apart.

I got to know this fine lady and love her as did my three older brothers and older sister.

I never met her stepfather but did get to know her mother. What a neat lady she was! Knew so much about nature and old ways and would NOT hesitate to tell you she did NOT like white people. I was about 14 at this time and never questioned it. How could I? (She did like me by the way).

Think about it. Here was a woman who's ancestors were over run, put on reservations and told their beliefs were pagan, wrong, whatever you want to call it because it was not Christian.
Think about this. It was not 1500 or 2000 years ago. It was in the last 100-200 years!

Now as I stated my stepmother was not exactly "old school". She married a white man. Eventually my father converted to Southern Baptist and took her along for the ride.

Later in their lives there was a White Buffalo born in the Milwaukee area. My stepmother and her sister went to see it. My dad was furious. Not in his beliefs.

A White Buffalo signifies peace among nations if I'm not mistaken. What a horrible, pagan belief.

Interpret this whole "sermon" as you wish. I can only tell you this. It has influenced my life.

 

That is a lovely story Clembo, thanks for sharing it with us

 

Very nice story, thanks for sharing clembo!

Phoenix

 

Hey stainless, thanks a lot so far, you're really making me think. Let's see if this might make more sense.

You are running a contest, and the grand prize that goes to the winner is a furnished all expense paid for the rest of that person's life, mansion. No bills, free electricity, water, etc. They don't even have to work. Who would you be mroe willing to give the prize to? Someone that really wants it, and will do all they can to achieve it, or someone that justs sits and hope they get "lucky"? Someone that follows the rules to achieve that prize and win it, or someone that goes and just does what they wants?

Just an illustration (not a good one I know, but the best I could do at the moment).

If someone really and truly wants something, deep down, they will do all they can to achieve to get it. Where there's a will, there's a way I guess can fit in here. Does this help man? I'm trying, lol, but does this make it more understandable?

How has He made it nearly impossible to find Him? This one I don't understand, lol.

What makes mine so much better IMHO, is He's been around much longer than those other's. And He wasn't created by humans. Zeus and all them like that (Ra, Ani, etc) were made by humans, because people created them as explanations for the weather and such. Except you don't hear things about people actually having heard, or seen things from those "gods" in history. But you do with the God, IMHO.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that stainless, lol. Judism, mormons, etc are just as popular. But Christianity isn't popular because it was forced IMHO, it's because people see it as the truth. Because it just makes "sense". Like I said, if you read the OT, and then the NT, it all just fits. That didn't happen just happen, and wasn't the work of humans. If it was, it would have it's flaws, but to my knowledge, there isn't any. If you look back, the other religions (other than judism) are created by man, and have there flaws. Does this help or make any sense? The words are with me, I just can't really connect them from my head to the keyboard, lol.

Phoenix

 

good points phoenix,
stainless

 

Perhaps God is a higher dimensional being and since we are only beings of the 4th dimension (3rd Dimension, if you insist on omitting time as a dimension), it would be impossible for us to find difinitive physical proof of His (or Her) existance. The many aspects of the divine (Judeo-Christian, Islam, Buddha, Hindu, Norse, Greco-Roman, Native American, etc) could be our interpretation of this being that would have a different appearance to virtually everyone who happened to catch a glimpse of Him or Her. Which aspect is correct? We can never know. The aspect you choose to follow, must come from within, only you can make that decision based on what is right for you. No one else can prove it, or disprove it for you. For me, the proof of a supreme being is evident every day, with each sunrise, each different, each magnificent in its own way; or seeing my grandson moments after he was born. Is this proof for anyone else, of course not. Remember this, absence of evidence does not necessarily equate to evidence of absence.

 

Thanks man, now if you would like me to stop, just tell me, and I will. I don't want to ramble, and go on and on, and get you upset. So just say it, and I will.

JMO and view on this, I don't think God put those things, I think it was humans that did, to make it "seem" impossible to get to God. Just my view on that.

Depends on what and how you define "intrepret". Just a question, do not mean this in a snotty or any sort of bad way, but what makes you think no one can or has "intrepret(ed)" it right (I use "intrepret" loosely, lol. )

Only those that do not follow Him, and do what His word says my friend.

Vague? I'm not sure on that man, some of them are pretty clear IMHO.

Like? Lol, I'm curious. I'm sure people were making them up as early as that, just like counterfieters have been faking money since basically the beginning of money. There, honestly, I am not too sure. Remember, the Bible says to watch out for evil spirits, that will try to lead you away from God. I think that's in 1 John, that "unless they confess Jesus came and died in the flesh". I wouldn't go saying that they automatically were God.

There is evidence. And there isn't. There I can see God not wanting things like that, because some people would probably go and worship those aritifacts, instead of God. And I think there is evidence of Noah's flood, I think they've gotten wood from that area that dates back to then, and also it does explain IMHO why Dinosaurs aren't around. I see your point, but I don't see it if that makes snes, lol.

Sort of. Yes, He wants us to believe in Him by faith, but there are things that just tell us there is a God IMHO. I'll try to work with that one tomorrow, getting tired tonight.

True, except just because there are so many people in Christianity, and just because awhile ago some were forced, how does that make it automatically wrong? What does it prove?

BTW, I'm not saying it's wrong, I didn't know about it, how do you know Isiah 7 is talking about Ahaz? There, I would just put it to people, just because it's possibly talking about someone else, it still doesn't make the Bible wrong IMHO. It just makes people wrong. If that's the case.

Phoenix

 

Thanks Pheonix.