So Where Is The Outrage?

Seems apparent now that last weeks targeted drone strike took out civilians and not terrorists. Not long ago when Trump took out the general that was the mastermind of the IED devices that cost so many of our soldiers their lives and many more their limbs, the outrage abounded. We now have a drone strike that mistakenly kills civilians and it is spoken of as an unfortunate mistake. Come on you hypocrites. Show me some outrage.

 

Well, I'm certainly a bit more cynical. I'm not even confident it was a mistake, I think it didn't matter who or what they hit. They never would have been forced to admit this even if it wasn't for the NYT investigating it so thoroughly.

I guess this could be a good example on why youth aren't too keen on patriotism. We've been killing civilians with little to no discretion in the middle east nearly my whole life, and it hasn't mattered which party was in control. It feels like we're probably the bad guys, but what can we do?

So yeah, I'm mad. I'm also exhausted and disappointed, though not surprised.

 

Well Gene… You have a pretty fair take on things. I always thought that about you. Don’t be quite so hasty to throw the towel in on patriotism though. Once you get a chance to see some of this world you will come to realize that we didn’t do as badly as you may think here in America.

 

as long as you were white.

 

I'll keep an open mind. 5 days and I'm headed off to Korea. It'll be interesting to see how we're portrayed in the media abroad.

 

the Amish do not fly flags or stand for the national anthem, but they're better people than the trump base.

 

Honestly MD GeneWright pretty much nailed it and I'm not a youngster.

For Americans that choose to stay in Afghanistan, oh well, you made the choice.

We lost 13 Marines. That sucks but we should have been out of there so long ago. The Taliban was bound to take over. It was just a matter of time. Now they will war with whatever flavor of Isis that is.

Do we need to continue intelligence? Absolutely but we, as a nation, can not think we can meddle in the affairs of others worldwide. We've been doing so far too long.

We really have little good to show for it.

 

I don’t disagree. Thing is this drone strike was little more than the current administration attempting to demonstrate their strength. It was a failure. When Trump did demonstrate strength by taking out the Iranian general, he was mercilessly mocked for it. And in that, I see hypocrisy on display.

 

you realize it was the military who aimed the missile...not Joe Biden?

 

we lost 2500 men in Afghanistan and no whining...but the "sleepless nights" over the 13 men?

crocodile tears

 

Same applies to Soleimani, hypocrite.

 

I never commented about it

 

For purposes of clarity, which: the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea or the Republic of Korea?

A rose by any other name.....

Perspective.

 

Oh no?

Seems to me you did . . .

http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/the-worst-is-yet-to-come.52590/page-6#post-286074

and

http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/the-worst-is-yet-to-come.52590/page-6#post-286087

 

that isn't about Soleimani. you must have a lot of spare time on your hands today.

 

Your interest would be and can be fulfilled by visiting any South Korean owned Grocery Chain in the U.S., for instance in the D.C. metropolitan area or Queens NY, or LA. You would also be able to meet South Koreans there, of all ages and background, and enjoy pleasant conversation on the subject of your interest, and enjoy great fresh food prepared on the premises, and most important to your particular interest, you can buy and read on the premises any daily newspaper from South Korea. An added benefit: you can watch daily South Korean News programs on TV, but you can also do that at home, by requesting the program be added by your TV program provider.


Make certain to visit the wonderful U.S Military Bases all over South Korea, and say Thank You to all our Armed Services members, that protect you while you are there, and will give sanctuary to an American Citizen if required.

Make certain to visit our wonderful U.S. Embassy there, and hopefully you can get a chance to talk to our Charge' d'Affaires Lt. Col. Christopher Del Corso, U.S. Marine Corps (Retired), and Graduate of SUNY and the National War College, and plaese tell him I and my betrothed sent him and his our warmest salutations.

His wonderful wife is Caroline Chung, a seasoned veteran and tireless representative of U.S. business interests abroad, as a Foreign Service Commercial Officer. You may get a chance to meet her, and learn something. Fair warning, though...she is VERY patriotic.

Or, if you like, I will give you the telephone number to talk to my betrothed, a U.S. Citizen and patriotic supporter of our Federal Republic and of the ROK. Don't be surprised if at any moment she knows more than the South Korean President about what is happening

Now, if you are visiting the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, I can't help you.
I would only comment that if you are, I sincerely hope you can support your personal Ideology in a more complete manner than I have read on this forum. I am not certain if completely ignoring courteous questions will work well in South Korea. You will find it is discourteous and distasteful, whether you like or don't like or agree or don't agree with a POV. It simply isn't done, there.

I will take you at your word, that you have an open mind, although I have not read proof of that, here.

What I won't do, is ask you courteously, or discourteously, to not be so hasty to throw the towel in on patriotism. Especially if you are visiting South Korea, a country whose citizens are fiercely patriotic, even after residing in the U.S. for 20, 30, 40 years. The majority have the same feelings toward the U.S. After all, we have not and do not turn our back on South Korea. For 71 years.

 

Really? How do you think every U.S. Armed Services member and Veteran feels?

Try not to be condescending. It has the feel of high school "devious lick" trashing of toilets, and very disingenuous.

As to killing of civilians nearly your whole life, I have , for my entire life, experienced the killing of civilians by despots and Marxists and communists socialist and so-called democratic socialist and so called democratic republican leaders od countries that ordered the killings. I am proud of our Patriotic military members...active and veteran... for stopping it whenever ordered to do so, in whatever part of the world, and in any climate and did so honorably.

Ask The People of a free Japan, South Korea, Italy, a united Germany, and the list goes on and on, how they feel about the freedom of their very existence that was protected by patriotic Americans.

My advice to you is you have a lot of maturing to work on, before you have earned the Right to be tired and angry about Patriotism.

 

I adamantly disagree.

 

Thing is…. Young folks have been brought up under a different umbrella than we were. It has been ingrained in them that being Americans is somewhat shameful. And attempting to shame them into being patriotic only serves to ingrain that into them more deeply. I rather feel that gentle persuasion is a better course of action.

 

I do not concur. I do not agree that oft stated BS that the only reason young people join the military is economic condition at home, or no education, or low income middle class, etc.

Facts:
1.3 million active duty members.
Age Group 17-24
Army 43%
Navy 41%
Marine 63%
Air Force 40%
Coast Guard 30%

Neighborhood income level:
87K + 17%
67-87K 21%
54-67K 22%
42-54K 21%
Under 42K 20%

Leading States with 4,000 or more recruits:

NY, CA., NC, GA, TX, FL, IL, OH, PA, VA, AZ, WA., MA.

Education level:
90% have are HS Grads, and only 75% of their peers are HS Grads.
10% are College Grads, and only 3% of their peers are College Grads.
2019-2021 are the highest education levels in 17 years
46% continue education at a post HS level, and only 19% of their peers continue education at a post HS level.

Social Media has performed admirably in presenting democratic socialist misleading cancel culture propaganda to the People.
The first step in dismantling a Federal Republic is dismantling public approval of the Military, and presenting a picture of uneducated gorillas following Orders to kill civilians and the need to all get along.

The modern Military is All Volunteer.
If democratic socialists want a fair and balanced military inclusive of the democratic socialist ideology, I am the first person to support re-instituting the Draft.

I do not mean to be disparaging of your thoughts, but the opinion is not supported by facts, and to a probable degree the opinion has been manipulated.

A family life either instills a duty of public service or it does not.
The attitude you ascribe to the young is influenced accordingly.

Gentle persuasion is not a weapon that suffices, but it does condone ignorance of our Federal Republic.

Gentle persuasion doesn't work on social media. It supports ignorance.

Truth in editing: changed 1 million to 1.3 million because, well, facts.