California Recall Rigged?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by yakpoo, Sep 8, 2021.

  1. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    You can't fix Stupid...
     
  2. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    that's why he is no longer president.
     
  3. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    Ha! I was talking about socialized medicine. "Socialized" is synonymous with "Crappy". It's just more money for less quality. It's a kickback to the Medical Union.
     
  4. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Define what you consider to be policy. If a stated goal is to bring down the trade deficit, and it fails due to bad policies, that is a policy failure.
     
  5. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    Bringing down the trade deficit is an event, not a policy. That is just a predicted result of the "policy" of using tariffs to bring equilibrium to global markets. If we don't follow through with the policy, we can't expect the predicted result. Is this the policy you would like to discuss?
     
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  6. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Here. Instead of relying on your or my opinion of what a policy is or is not, let's agree that policy, and in particular government policy, is defined as the following:

    What Is Government Policy?

    Policy
    A policy is a principle or course of action proposed or implemented by a governing body. Governing bodies are groups of people that act in unison to guide and support a community, unit, business, institution, etc.

    Policies can take many forms depending on whether you're looking at an institution, organization, government, or other body. Overall, policies do share some common features:

    • Policies are authoritative declarations promoted by a person or body given the power to do so.
    • Policies shape principles and laws.
    • Policies state and influence ways to perform actions and sometimes by whom.
    Under the best circumstances, policies are exceptional resources for making the lives of everyone in the community better.

    So What Is Government Policy?
    By now you've probably got a good idea of what a government policy entails. A government policy is a rule or principle that hopefully better guides decisions, resulting in positive outcomes that enhance the community or unit. Government policies contain the reasons things are to be done in a certain way and why. This leads to the development of procedures and protocols to see that policies are conducted in an appropriate manner. Procedures and protocols dictate the "how," "where," and "when" of how policies will be executed.

    Government policies contain the reasons things are to be done in a certain way and why.

    Government policy describes a course of action, creating a starting point for change. They can influence how much tax the community pays, immigration status and laws, pensions, parking fines, and even where you go to school. While policies are driven to be non-discriminatory, they can affect specific groups of individuals. Policies are not laws, but they can lead to laws.
     
  7. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    What is it about the Trump policy of "using tariffs to bring equilibrium to global markets" don't you like? What about tariffs don't you like?
     
  8. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    you must mean the tariffs china never paid on ag products so trump used taxpayers money to bail them out of his mistake. but that's not spending/
     
  9. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    No, we're talking about the policy. Wages, currencies, employee protections, environmental protections, etc. aren't standard in each market. Tariffs (although bad in their own right) are an effective tool to maintain equilibrium so effective trade agreements can be achieved. The goal for trade agreements would be to drive all tariffs to Zero.
     
  10. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    trump was a disaster for the environment for sure.
     
  11. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Then why did our trade deficit INCREASE to record levels? That is the metric that determines if the policy is successful or a failure. If it was such a good policy, why did it fail to achieve what Trump said it would? The answer is that it is a failed policy. I don't know what other spin you could possibly put on this.

    BTW I do love that you actually want to talk policy. So rare in these forums. I do have an ace in the hole I should warn you about. My wife has a PhD in Policy Analysis. So if I do get stuck, I'm calling in the big guns. :D Policy is something that your sycophantic trolls will never discuss.
     
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  12. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    A silly discussion. Talking about Policy of any POTUS with Little Joe is the equivalent of a Comanche understanding Swahili. Both become frustrated and both start talking about eating water buffalo. When our favorite child-man FD is thrown into the mix, both want to shoot arrows or throw spears, egged on by him .
     
  13. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Stop yelling , Little Joe. You are not in the crib anymore (I could be wrong), trying to get mom and dad to pay attention.
     
  14. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Humblebrag....that is how to validate your assumptions.

    My betrothed earned a 5th Dan. My best man was the U.S Tae Kwon Do Champion.
    And....?

    Policy Analysis is a fancy name for what used to be called a Decision Tree, except it doesn't use a pencil anymore.
    Both are what ifs, and the analysis is usually wrong.

    Me? I married a very brave very supportive person of our Federal Republic, and we judge any POTUS based on the first duty described in the Constitution: Commander In Chief. The existing POTUS has gone wanting, in that duty.

    I do not need any democrat or republican or liberal or independent to defend me. I only want fellow Americans and foreign friendly partners willing to support our Federal Republic to protect me, when I am unable to do so myself.

    How about you, Little Joe? I would like to read your clear and precise and unedited position concerning same, instead of BS.

    Did you serve in the Armed Forces in a joint opportunity to protect the Federal Republic, in any capacity? I am of the opinion that such voluntary service is the ultimate respect for our Federal Republic.

    All I ever detect in your posts, is a need to win a debate on a false political basis that is rooted in partisan divisionism. That is the very definition of political Policy Analysis.
     
  15. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    tell me about all the countries with good medical care the way you describe.
     
  16. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    [​IMG]
     
  17. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Pretty much every industrialized country has some form or national health care. We out spend all of them and have worse health outcomes than even countries like Costa Rica, certainly worse than Cuba. There is no such thing as a medical union. The difference in cost is the insurers. They are unnecessary and eat anywhere from 20 to 30 percent of the health care dollars. You really don't know much about the US health care system do you? Everything you just said is false.

    We're actually 37th in the world:

    Country HealthcareRank pop2021
    France 1 65426.18
    Italy 2 60367.48
    San Marino 3 34.017
    Andorra 4 77.355
    Malta 5 442.784
    Singapore 6 5896.686
    Spain 7 46745.22
    Oman 8 5223.375
    Austria 9 9043.07
    Japan 10 126050.8
    Norway 11 5465.63
    Portugal 12 10167.93
    Monaco 13 39.511
    Greece 14 10370.74
    Iceland 15 343.353
    Luxembourg 16 634.814
    Netherlands 17 17173.1
    United Kingdom 18 68207.12
    Ireland 19 4982.907
    Switzerland 20 8715.494
    Belgium 21 11632.33
    Colombia 22 51265.84
    Sweden 23 10160.17
    Cyprus 24 1215.584
    Germany 25 83900.47
    Saudi Arabia 26 35340.68
    United Arab Emirates 27 9991.089
    Israel 28 8789.774
    Morocco 29 37344.8
    Canada 30 38067.9
    Finland 31 5548.36
    Australia 32 25788.22
    Chile 33 19212.36
    Denmark 34 5813.298
    Dominica 35 72.167
    Costa Rica 36 5139.052
    United States 37 332915.1
    Slovenia 38 2078.724
    Cuba 39 11317.51
    Brunei 40 441.532
    New Zealand 41 4860.643
    Bahrain 42 1748.296
    Croatia 43 4081.651
    Qatar 44 2930.528
    Kuwait 45 4328.55
    Barbados 46 287.711
    Thailand 47 69950.85
    Czech Republic 48 10724.56
    Malaysia 49 32776.19
    Poland 50 37797.01
    Dominican Republic 51 10953.7
    Tunisia 52 11935.77
    Jamaica 53 2973.463
    Venezuela 54 28704.95
    Albania 55 2872.933
    Seychelles 56 98.908
    Paraguay 57 7219.638
    South Korea 58 51305.19
    Senegal 59 17196.3
    Philippines 60 111046.9
    Mexico 61 130262.2
    Slovakia 62 5460.721
    Egypt 63 104258.3
    Kazakhstan 64 18994.96
    Uruguay 65 3485.151
    Hungary 66 9634.164
    Trinidad and Tobago 67 1403.375
    Saint Lucia 68 184.4
    Belize 69 404.914
    Turkey 70 85042.74
    Nicaragua 71 6702.385
    Belarus 72 9442.862
    Lithuania 73 2689.862
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 74 111.263
    Argentina 75 45605.83
    Sri Lanka 76 21497.31
    Estonia 77 1325.185
    Guatemala 78 18249.86
    Ukraine 79 43466.82
    Solomon Islands 80 703.996
    Algeria 81 44616.62
    Palau 82 18.169
    Jordan 83 10269.02
    Mauritius 84 1273.433
    Grenada 85 113.021
    Antigua and Barbuda 86 98.731
    Libya 87 6958.532
    Bangladesh 88 166303.5
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 90 3263.466
    Lebanon 91 6769.146
    Indonesia 92 276361.8
    Iran 93 85028.76
    Bahamas 94 396.913
    Panama 95 4381.579
    Fiji 96 902.906
    Benin 97 12451.04
    Nauru 98 10.876
    Romania 99 19127.77
    Saint Kitts and Nevis 100 53.544
     
  18. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    The USMCA only went into effect on July 1st, 2020. It takes a little time for the industrial infrastructure to adjust. One thing we can judge is its impact on the environment...

    Better than NAFTA
    A full chapter of the USMCA deals specifically with environmental issues — a clear innovation compared to NAFTA. It introduces an article (Article 24.8) that refers to seven ratified multilateral environmental agreements (MEAs), and explicitly obliges the signatories to respect these commitments.

    MEAs are side agreements signed by NAFTA state parties with other countries to strengthen environmental protection standards in their free-trade relations. This is the first time in North America that a free-trade agreement integrates the environmental commitments made by its signatories.

    https://theconversation.com/free-tr...an-nafta-of-protecting-the-environment-146384
     
  19. yakpoo
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    yakpoo Well-Known Member

    My point exactly! The AMA is screwing up medicine in America.

     
  20. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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