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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mopar Dude, May 7, 2021.

  1. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    No one is asking for either your help or your judgments. It is your perception of the working poor that is your problem. Go into a McDonald's during the day and count the high school kids you see working there. You will likely see adults desperate to pay rent, put food on the table, and raise their kids. The last thing they need is people like you "helping". If you think that your judgments are well hidden in your words, you couldn't be more oblivious. No one wants help from those that stand above them to make themselves feel better.
     
  2. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I'm not judging anyone . . . I am describing my experience-based reality.

    As for no one asking for my help, if that's the case, then they should be able to do just fine without accepting someone else's tax dollars to make their lives easier. You see, many out there do not want the right kind of help. Why? Because taking advantage of the right kind of help is difficult, requiring time, energy and enthusiasm.

    You obviously perceive me to be condescending toward those who feel trapped in a job at McD's. Whether it comes from me, or from someone else, the help they need is not a handout with an expiration date on it. They need new perspective, encouragement, motivation, and they need skills / education to move forward. Something to build on.

    Free money does nothing but forestall the inevitable. The ability to deliver value to more employers accomplishes far more, as it increases demand for one's services and one's commensurate earning potential .

    That's something that free money from the government can never do.
     
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  3. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    "without the chance to fail you cannot possibly succeed" derp
     
  4. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Hakuna Matata . . . the gummint's got my back . . . Derp
     
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  5. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    We are the government, dummy
     
  6. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Yeah man, it's great, ain't it? All I have to do is vote for some schmuck who says he'll give me free stuff . . . what idiots these politicians are . . . but if the well's gonna run dry, I might as well take all I can get before it does.
     
  7. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    so some dummy walked into a bar and said....he'd would rather use his own taxes to subsidize billionaires, big business and wars than his own country's infrastructure, health care and retirement.
     
  8. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    That was a dumb thing to write . . . No one has ever met someone else who would rather do that with their tax dollars FD. Yes, that is sometimes the end result, but it is never the intent.
     
  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    "sometimes". Since the Reagan era in other words
     
  10. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    These discussions always end up being about the haves versus the have nots. Well, I have walked both sides of that fence. The only defining characteristic of those that have is effort. Not skin color. Not economic circumstance. Simply effort. That’s all. You cannot legislate success in life. You simply have to want it…… Look, I am the worlds worst yard tender. I loathe yard work. I decided this year I was going to make my backyard beautiful and full of lovely green grass. Man, it has near killed me, but I am seeing the results of my effort. It’s a work in progress and I am pleased with what I see, but it isn’t where I want it yet…… And this is exactly the attitude that any worthwhile effort deserves. You put in effort, you get results. No amount of feeling downtrodden that my grass isn’t as green as my neighbors will change that. Only the effort I put in to change it.
     
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  11. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    tax work not wealth. derp
     
  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Mocked again by the one-line-wonder . . . my feelings are so hurt.
     
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  13. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism


    I have such a hard time holding back with you, FD.

    I've always believed a man is best judged by the content of his character . . . at least until now.

    I've found you're a little different . . . I judge you by the character of your content.
     
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  14. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    you can't come up with any refutations, just FOX news talking points and drivel.
    If you're a moderator, just do your job or get lost.
     
  15. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    That’s right. Silence ALL those conservative voices. How dare someone have the gall to think differently than yourself. Send them to re-education camps and get them out of your liberal playground.
     
  16. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    You mean like Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney?? Oh yeah that was you

    Conservatives went extinct after Goldwater left the Political scene. Words mean things
     
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  17. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    They certainly do.
     
  18. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    why did your side cancel Liz Cheney and Mitt Romney and try to send them to re education camps?
     
  19. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

  20. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    No One Wants to Work [For You] Anymore:
    The End of Oligopsony

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/05/16/no-one-wants-to-work-for-you-anymore-the-end-of-oligopsony/

    This post highlights a very important discussion that may change the way that workers are treated in this capitalist economy. At least I hope it does.

    There are few ways faster to piss me off than to say, “Slackers don’t want to work” in response to the lack of candidates for low-wage jobs.

    Inside a one-mile stretch of the main thoroughfare where I live in Midwestern Suburbia, I can find 8-12 signs advertising job openings right now. I’ve lived here since the late 1970s and I’ve never seen this many postings for jobs.

    Every single one of these jobs pays between $3.67 (Michigan’s minimum tipped hourly wage) and $15.00 an hour. None of them are full time, most have variable schedules, and only one place assures workers one weekend day off every week. None of them offer health care or childcare assistance of any kind. None of them offer enough hours regularly with enough compensation to pay for a one-bedroom apartment within walking distance, and likely not within a 10-mile radius.

    Until the pandemic, these employers were able to tell workers what they’d pay, take it or leave it. They could act in concert without having to coordinate to set market pricing because it was simply understood by workers that hourly workers’ pay fell in this range and it was an employers’ market.

    Employers have acted like a cartel, with collusion on price fixing for labor enabled by other monopolistic entities like Facebook and Google.
     

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