If Rudy wins Pub nomination fundies will run 3rd party..

,,and yet she will be commander-in-chief and weild all that power that Bush garnered for her. I will laugh for 2 weeks straight when she wins.

The simple fact is that she watches out for the normal people and the Pubs watch out for the rich, I am not rich (10 million+) therefore I support Hillary.

 

this article seems to indicate that Hillary has it all wrapped up

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/clinton.schneider/

and her eyes look really pretty in the picture

 

Just like all of Danr's other posts.... a figment of his immagination, with little resemblance to the truth.

 

And when she doesn't I'll simply smile. Then I'm going to put in an emergency call to the Rush Limbaugh Mental Health Institute and make an appointment for you.

Won't that be special?

 

Hillary will get the Democratic nomination, the Christian conservatives won't like anybody that hasn't personally been blessed by the hand of God and the outcome will be that we have our first woman president. Conservatives will hate it but it is only a guaranteed 4 years and we had to put up with Bush for 8. It would be interesting if Obama took the VP job and then we could have the White House for 16 years. Could this have been the plan all along?
Stay tuned!

 

It is probably a done deal Hillary wins the nomination providing no early "October Suprise " pre convention, but she is as decisive a figure that exists in politics today.

Hillary seems to think it is hers for the taking, she will simply be coronated to her crown. Truth is she will draw out a huge contigent of voters of both sides, and that will be very interesting to say the least. Her low approval numbers speak for themselves however.

I really think this one is too wide open at the Presidential level to call, too many variables. As for Hillarys inability to do anything with a hostile congress,it is simply a reflection on the leaders they have chosen. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have proven ineffective and unable to garner support on many issues, let alone socialise the health care of the USA. Just look at Canada and Europe to see what a faliure the 1 payer system is.

Hillary also has refused to take stands on important issues, preferring to play the polls and vote with the wind. This may work for a Senator, but will not carry a nation. She has obviously fooled the people of New York, but America as a whole is smarter than that, I hope.

Hillary has now resorted to offering $$$ if elected, the 5K baby bonus. She has also indicated her desire to open immigration and " mend broken families" meaning open borders. The Republicans learned the hard way, America does not want open borders and will not stand for it. Just ask John McCain about that.

In summation, my opinion is that Hillary Clinton will be a formidable candidate and may well just win it. Only time will tell. If the Dems keep shooting themselves in the foot, as just has been done this week in both the debate and the Media Matters (upcoming scandle) , the Limbaugh fiasco and the Move on Betray-US mess, this may well be a Republican victory. Bush has set the Rep party back 20 years, but conservatives have a way of standing on principles and values, something the Dems do not recognise.

 

Like it or not the Clinton record shows a desire to help the normal guy (he grew up as a normal person- no silver spoon).

 

Clinton WANTS you to BELIEVE he was raised normal. Read Dick Morris " Because he Could ". If anybody or any of the talking heads know Bill and Hillary, it's Dick Morris. I read Bill and Hillarys books, then Morris's books. I liked Bill better and Hillary less. LOL

 

Another thing that nobody has mentioned is that Hillary has pissed off the far left, the anti war Move-On crowd. Feeling confident she has the nomination down, she is making a mad dash to center already. The left wing wackjobs ( not the " Democrats" , but the hardcore wackjobs are fuming mad at her right now. She has said she WILL NOT pull out of Iraq upon het election IF she wins.
The far left Move On gang is so invested in defeat and an immeadiate withdrawl from Iraq, there is already talk of pulling a " Lieberman " on her. It is not to late to run a green party Anti against her on the main stage in 11/08. Lieberman said a good thing about Iraq, and what happened? He was ran out of the Dem party on a rail !!! He was a Dem VP candidate for God sake, but the Anti's are so left, they primary'd him, and honestly, thank goodness he won as an independent. He is a great Senator as far as USA security goes.

That would be devastating to her just as an independent against Rudy,like the start of this thread. So, it's not time to start shopping for drapes yet Danr, Hillary is just a front runner. A year ago, McCain had this thing wrapped up , remember? Even us in Arizona can't stand that *******, but he had America fooled. 1 wrong move , ( amnesty ) , and he is gone !! Same thing can happen.

 

Speaking of books, have you ever read the analysis of older Republicans and older Democrats? I haven't seen this book in years but apparently as Republicans age, they get angrier and angrier and turn out to be bitter old people. At the same time, Democrats mellow and relax over the same period. I wish that I could remember the title of this book it is well worth a chuckle to read. Maybe somebody else can remember the title.
What reminded me of this book was my wife's aunt who is at least 70 and a stanch Republican. You can not have a conversation with this woman without her flying into a rage about Democrats. She has never had any advanced education and pretty much lived her entire adult life as a house wife but knows everything about the world there is to know. You can only laugh at her silly statements or become the victim of one of her relentless verbal assaults. She hasn't learned anything new in that last 50 years or so.
My theory is that it is only by helping others that you truly grow as a person. If all you see in the world is lazy people trying to take your money and the only things you respect are material possessions, you don't grow as a person and you reach your golden years with nothing but negativity and anger. Maybe their religion gives them comfort or their pointless attempts to buy the love they didn't earn during their lives by giving their heirs money before they die. All I can think is A life never lived, and they are welcome to it.

 

Actually the last book I read was " A National Party no More" Zel Miller, if you have not read it, I'd be glad to lend it, I see you on coin blog too, so no problem.

Also, I think you are one of the few intelligent debaters out there. Most Dems offer nothing but hate Bush rants and do a bong hit peace talk. Moen, you have something there, for the little time I have been here, it is a better place because of your input.

PM me if you want to read, I have a pretty decent Library, yes, most of them are conservatives, but I read everything but the Sheehan type wackos.

 

Economic Leadership and a Stronger Economy

Under President Clinton's leadership, almost 6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration -- an average of 250,000 new jobs every month.

In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

As part of the 1993 Economic Plan, President Clinton cut taxes on 15 million low-income families and made tax cuts available to 90 percent of small businesses, while raising taxes on just 1.2 percent of the wealthiest taxpayers.

President Clinton signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction. The deficit is going down for 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman was president.




Fighting Crime and Restoring Our Communities
The President signed into law the Brady Bill, which imposes a five-day waiting period on handgun purchases so that background checks can be done to help keep handguns away from criminals.

The President's Crime Bill will put 100,000 new police officers on the street. More than 1,200 communities have already received grants to hire 27,000 additional officers.

The Crime Bill also punishes criminals by expanding the number of offenses eligible for the death penalty and implementing the "three-strikes-and-you're-out" provision.

And, the Bill banned the manufacture of 19 specific types of deadly assault weapons, while simultaneously protecting hunters' rights by exempting over 650 hunting rifles.




Strengthening Our Families: Security and Opportunity
President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act. The law, which covers over 42 million Americans, offers workers up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-guaranteed leave for child birth, adoption, or personal or family illness.

President Clinton expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit to cut the taxes of 15 million working families with incomes of $27,000 or less.

President Clinton granted waivers to 25 states -- half the nation -- providing for comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.

President Clinton ordered the U.S. Justice Department to conduct the first-ever crackdown on deadbeat parents who refuse to accept financial responsibility for their own children.

Signed an Executive Order cracking down on federal employees who owe child support.




Cutting Bureaucracy
President Clinton has already cut the federal bureaucracy by more than 100,000 positions. Under the recommendations of the National Performance Review, the federal bureaucracy will be reduced by 272,000 -- its lowest level since the Kennedy Administration.

And, he reduced the White House staff by 25 percent.




Making Education A Priority
Under the President's Direct Student Loan program, students can borrow money directly from the government at a lower interest rate and with many flexible repayment options, including the option to repay with a percentage of their after-graduation salary. Taxpayers will save at least $4.3 billion over five years.

In 1994, over 20,000 AmeriCorps members tutored students, immunized children, reclaimed urban parks, and patrolled neighborhoods. In return, they earned $4,725 per year of service towards college tuition or job training.

President Clinton signed into law Goals 2000, a national standard of excellence for our public schools. Already, 41 states and territories have received federal grants to raise academic standards and improve schools.

President Clinton's Safe and Drug Free Schools and Community Act and the Safe Schools Act provide funding to schools to fight violence and drug abuse. Schools can use up to 25 percent of their funds to purchase metal detectors, develop safe zones, and hire school security personnel.

The President's School-to-Work program provides venture capital to spark a nationwide system for moving America's young people from high school to a job with a future. In 1994, all states received planning funds for their school-to-work program.

Charter School legislation signed by President Clinton encourages states and localities to set up public school choice.




Expanding Markets for American Products
The Clinton Administration forged a bipartisan coalition to pass NAFTA, after concluding tough negotiations on side agreements covering workers' rights, the environment, and import surges. Exports to Mexico rose 23 percent in the first 11 months of 1994.

President Clinton led the fight to pass GATT, which lowers tariffs worldwide by $744 billion over ten years -- the largest international tax cut in history. GATT cuts tariffs on manufactured goods by more than one-third overall and eliminates tariffs in major markets in a number of sectors in which the U.S. is particularly competitive.




Protecting Our Environment
Under President Clinton, the EPA launched its "Common Sense Initiative" to make health protection cheaper and smarter by focusing on results rather than one-size-fits-all regulations.

The President's Northwest Forest Plan is putting communities in the Northwest back to work, while conserving ancient forests.

After decades of conflict, the Clinton Administration negotiated a consensus plan to protect California's most valuable natural resource -- its water. The San Francisco and Delta estuary supplies dr inking water to two-thirds of the state's people, provides irrigation for 45 percent of the nation's fruits and vegetables, and sustains 300 aquatic species.




Promoting Security and Freedom Abroad
President Clinton hosted the signing of the Israeli-Palestinian Declaration of Principles in September, 1993, and the signing of the Israeli-Jordan Washington Principles in July, 1994 -- historic agreements between the leaders of Israel and her Arab neighbors to settle differences by peaceful means.

To enhance European security and stability, the Clinton Administration proposed the Partnership for Peace program, offering former Soviet republics and Central/East European states closer ties with NATO. Already, 22 nations have signed on, since NATO's adoption of the program in January, 1994.

As of May, 1994, nuclear missiles in Russia and the United States are no longer targeted against any country. And, as a result of other Clinton Administration efforts, the Ukraine is ahead of schedule in reaching the goal of transferring 1,500 nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantlement.

President Clinton peacefully restored democracy to Haiti, curbing the violence that threatened tens of thousands of Haitians, securing our borders, and upholding our commitments and the commitments made to us in the process.






CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND SECURITY FOR ALL AMERICANS
Signed the Economic Package, August 10, 1993.
The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.
Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.
On track for three consecutive years of deficit reduction -- for the first time since Harry Truman.
Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.
Made new tax cuts available to over 90% of small businesses.
Unemployment has fallen from 7% when President Clinton took office to its current rate of 5.6%
Lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968.
1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.
Proposed a plan to balance the budget while protecting critical investments in education.

 

PROMOTING A FUTURE OF OPPORTUNITY
Increased Head Start funding by almost $760 million.
Passed the Student Loan Reform Act, August 10, 1993.
Implemented the National Service Act, September 21, 1993.
Signed the Goals 2000: Educate America Act, March 31, 1994.
Enacted the School-to-Work Opportunities Act on May 4, 1994.
Signed the Elementary and Secondary Education Act Reauthorization

MAKING COMMUNITIES AND SCHOOLS SAFE FOR OUR FAMILIES
Passed the toughest most comprehensive Crime Bill ever, September 13, 1994
Signed the Brady Bill, November 30, 1993.
Enacted the Assault Weapons Ban as part of the Crime Bill.
Put 100,000 new police on the street -- nearly 31,000 more officers have been funded.
Signed the Violence Against Women Act as part of the Crime Bill.
Signed the Safe and Drug-Free Schools Act, October 20, 1994.
Issued Presidential Directive enforcing a "Zero Tolerance" gun policy in schools, October 22, 1994
Submitted and fought for the most comprehensive Drug Control budget ever.

MAKING GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER AND COST LESS
Already cut the Federal Workforce by over 200,000 -- on the way to lowest level in 30 years.
Abolishing 16,000 pages of obsolete regulations and rewriting 31,000 more pages.
$58 billion in savings are already in the bank. $46 billion in savings are still to come.
Over 180 new recommendations will save $70 billion. Eliminated 284 federal advisory committees.
Developed government-wide Customer Service Standards for the first time.
Appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history.
Signed the most important federal procurement act ever to streamline government purchasing.
Reformed Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation to protect 8.5 million pensions.
Signed the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act, March 22, 1995.

CREATING OPPORTUNITY IN AMERICA'S COMMUNITIES
Created nine Economic Empowerment Zones and 95 Enterprise Communities.
Signed the Community Development Banking Financial Institutions Act, Sept. 23, 1994.
Signed the Interstate Banking Bill, September 29, 1994.
Instituted the Defense Reinvestment and Conversion Initiative.
Reformed the Community Reinvestment Act to focus on performance rather than paperwork.
Made the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit and Mortgage Revenue Bond Program permanent.

PROTECTING THE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR PUBLIC HEALTH
Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.
Launched "reinventing environmental regulation" to cut red tape and better protect public health.
Issued a new standard to cut pollution from chemical plants 90% by 1997.
Signed executive orders to increase recycling and cut pollution in federal buildings.
Signed the California Desert Protection Act, October 31, 1994.
Issued a new standard to cut pollution from incinerators 95%.
Introduced comprehensive Safe Drinking Water and Superfund reforms.
Developed a plan to restore Florida's Everglades.
Ended decades of conflict over the allocation of California Bay-Delta water.

PROMOTING HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS
Passed the Family and Medical Leave Act, February 5, 1993.
Signed a comprehensive Child Immunization Plan.
Revoked the Reagan/Bush restrictions on abortion counseling ("the gag rule"), abortions in military hospitals, "Mexico City" policy and RU-486 imports.
Increased Ryan White CARE Act funding for outpatient AIDS care over 100% in first 3 budgets.
Put the Women, Infants and Children Program (WIC) on a full-funding path.
Increased funding 65% for breast cancer research.
As part of the balanced budget plan, introduced health care reform initiative which strengthens Medicare and expands coverage.
Proposed a $1.3 billion increase in veterans' benefits -- of which $1 billion will be directed to the VA health system to provide treatment for 43,000 more veterans.

PRESERVING AND STRENGTHENING OUR FAMILIES
Expanded the Earned Income Tax Credit providing tax relief for 15 million working families.
Introduced the Work and Responsibility Act - comprehensive welfare reform.
Passed the Family Support and Preservation Program.
Passed major funding increases for homeless programs in both Houses.
Approved 35 waivers to states permitting comprehensive welfare reform demonstrations.
Collected a record $10 billion in child support through enforcement in 1994.
Signed the Social Security Independent Agency Act.
Increased adoption and foster care funds by almost $600 million from 1994-1995.

RESTORING TRUST IN OUR GOVERNMENT
Signed the National Voter Registration Act (Motor-Voter), May 20, 1993.
Eliminated the tax deduction for lobbying expenses.
Imposed strictest Administration ethics guidelines in history.
Barred top officials from becoming foreign lobbyists after leaving government.
Signed the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 -- the first overhaul of lobbying rules in 50 years.
Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act, January 22, 1995.
Fought for passage of line-item veto and campaign finance.

OPENING FOREIGN MARKETS TO AMERICAN GOODS
Signed NAFTA into law, December 8, 1993, which will create hundreds of thousands of US jobs.
Signed GATT into law, December 8, 1994, the largest trade agreement in history.
Secured free-trade commitments from Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) leaders.
Hosted Summit of the Americas and agreed to negotiate a Free Trade Area of the Americas by 2005
Developed National Export Strategy, eliminating outdated export controls on $35 billion in exports.
Opened 15 different market sectors in Japan ranging from telecommunications procurement to rice.
Reached historic agreement with Japan on opening its automotive market to billions of dollars worth of American cars and parts.
Reached agreement with China to provide intellectual property rights protection for billions of dollars worth of U.S. exports.

AMERICAN LEADERSHIP
Helped Israel and Jordan achieve an historic peace treaty and Israel and the Palestinians fulfill their historic accord.
Contributed to an historic cease-fire in Northern Ireland.
Restored democratically elected Haitian President Aristide to power; will continue to stop the flow of refugees to Florida.
Undertook, with NATO allies and UN, military and diplomatic actions to alleviate the suffering and lead the effort to broker a comprehensive peace agreement in Bosnia.
Russian nuclear missiles are no longer pointed at our cities.
Persuaded Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan to give up the nuclear weapons left on their land when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Agreed to framework with North Korea that freezes and leads to the eventual elimination of North Korea s dangerous nuclear program.
Led the international effort to secure the indefinite and unconditional extension of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) further reducing the danger of nuclear proliferation around the world.
Working to prevent nuclear weapons from ending up in the hands of terrorists or international criminals.
Air-lifted more than half a ton of vulnerable, highly enriched uranium, enough to make dozens of nuclear bombs, from Kazakhstan to safe storage.
Assisted South Africa's transition to democracy, providing support for elections and development.
Bringing the nations of Europe closer:
-- Modernizing NATO;
-- Working with Russia;
-- Reforming the former Soviet Union economies

Waging a tough counter-terrorism campaign with stronger laws and more training for law enforcement.
Maintaining strong sanctions against states that sponsor terrorism and defy the rule of rule, such as Iran, Iraq, Libya and Sudan.
Sent our planes, ships and troops to turn back a new Iraqi threat to the Persian Gulf.

 

nother subject: " Cut the fedrral workforce by 200,000"

THAT WAS THE MILITARY !!!

 

some stuff I do not like much but on the whole I'd love 8 more years of that stuff!!

 

I do not usually cut and paste, but I thought it was relevant.

 

You cannot treat terrorism like criminals. He refused to accept OBL from Jordan because " there was no law he violated".
Trade center bombing #1, USS Cole, 2 embassy bombings, he took them to court !!! Wow, what good that spanking did !!

 

Well we agree to disagree on the Osama issue. Please recall, Osama's brother sat at the same table as Bush senior as the attacks happened.

 

Verify that please...interesting. Also, what attacks? there were several

 

the morning of 911 attacks are the ones I am referring to
http://www.prisonplanet.com/041203metwithbinladen.html

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1685.shtml