Mail-In Voting, not fraud but other issues.

While I am certainly unsure about the issues of fraud, I am more convinced that the concerns are about just mistakes. Almost every week we receive mail addressed to the former residents of our house, and we have lived in that house for 5 years. Who is to say that we can be certain that every ballot goes to the right people when millions of dollars of stimulus money went to the wrong people? I’m more worried about ballots going to dead people, ineligible people, houses that nobody lives in, ballots going to nursing homes and care facilities and the residents not being properly accounted and there vote submitted.
While I’m against vote in mail entirely, I would like to hear from sources addressing these concerns.

 

I'm afraid of invisible tigers too. You can't prove they don't exist.

 

I’m not implying that these issues are definitively happening, I’m simply looking at precedent on how the government works and the issues associated with things the government tried to do, especially without precedent. I’m not fully confident in the Governments ability to pull something like this off.

 

Probably the biggest factors that should put your mind at ease are states like Oregon and Washington who have been doing exclusive mail-in voting for some time. In the case of Oregon, everyone is registered automatically too. There are also several checks on voting like verifying your signature is a close match to what they have on record. Most places too are requiring you too register and request a ballot via application that requires verification such as your social security number or state issued ID number.

Finally, I think a lot of the fear over mail-in tries to play it off as something new or that people rarely do. When in fact, ~1/5 of all votes cast in the 2016 election were done by mail. I think that's a pretty good indicator we have the infrastructure to handle it.

 

Thanks for the insight, wanted to comment on a few points.
You noted that mail in ballots require a ballot request to be submitted by the voter. Can you clarify on who? I know thay is the procedure for absentee ballots, so is this in specific states or is this a method that is going to be implemented in the entirety of Election 2020? Because if there is a ballot request by the voter, I could consider much more reasonable rather than what some people are speculating that a handful of ballots (One for each voter in a home) will be sent to every residential address in the US and they’ll count whoever sends one back with no audit of who is the voter. I have not seen much on the specifics of the implementation of this, what the rules and regulations will be, however I could support a more monitored system of voting, and hopefully that will happen if we do require such method. I’ll still go to the booth if I can. I just turned 18 actually when this thread was made! August 17th!

 

So here is what I just learned from my State Secretary of State website who gives information on Missouri’s policies on the 2020 Election, In the State of MO, Mail In Ballots are required to be Notarized before submitted to the State for counting with specific exceptions for demographics that are at highest risk of contraction of COVID-19 (old people, serious medical ailments, etc)
I can support that.

 

This is even below your level of dignity.

 

Now you've gone too far FD. You're mocking his friends.

 

I am confident now that Flydaddy has some inner passion for fat rednecks. He sure does have quite the photo collection of them...... In response to @CoinBlazer, yes there are problems with the postal service. Each day after the mailman swings through my little professional complex we all meet in the parking lot to give each other our mail. I waited three weeks for a small coin delivery from one state away just a few weeks ago. However from the blurb I saw this morning, it appears postal changes are deferred until after the election anyway. So this appears to be a non-issue.

 

Yes and no. I'm glad they will be halting further changes until after the election, but I would still like to see reversal of already enacted damages. Namely, mail infrastructure (machines, boxes, etc.) should be replaced where they were taken away and the ability to earn overtime should be restored. I'd also like a reversal of the new delivery policy that enacts a hard cut-off for undelivered mail that pushes it back to the next day if it's not in time, but that goes hand in hand with overtime regulations.

 

TRUMP COMES UP EMPTY WHEN PRESSED FOR EVIDENCE OF ELECTION FRAUD IN COURT
In both the the Texas voter id and the Kobach proof of citizenship needed to register to vote the cases, the GOP could provide no evidence of voter fraud in the real world. In the Penn , trump is suing to block vote by mail and the court asked for proof of voter fraud. Guess what happen?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S campaign, ordered by a federal court judge in Pennsylvania to back up its claims of fraud in the state’s vote-by-mail system, has documented only a handful of cases of election fraud in recent years — none of which involved mail-in ballots. The revelation, which came in the form of a partially redacted 524-page document produced by the Trump campaign last week, undermines the claim by Trump team operatives that mail-in ballot fraud is a grave risk to Pennsylvania voters.

The campaign is suing Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and each of the state’s county election boards to prevent election administrators from providing secure drop boxes for mail-in ballot returns. These drop boxes allow voters to return their mail-in ballots by hand, without sending them through the postal system and risking delays. The Trump campaign alleges that the practice “provides fraudsters an easy opportunity to engage in ballot harvesting, manipulate or destroy ballots, manufacture duplicitous votes, and sow chaos.”

In a motion last week, Citizens for Pennsylvania’s Future and the Sierra Club called on the Trump campaign to provide evidence of the existence of voter fraud, arguing that the campaign’s lawsuit was “replete with salacious allegations and dire warnings” about Pennsylvania’s elections and that they “must either be compelled to provide discovery concerning their fraud-based allegations or be precluded from pursuing these claims going forward.” Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan granted the motion, ordering the campaign to “produce such evidence in their possession, and if they have none, state as much.”

The response provided by the Trump campaign to the opposing counsel, which was shared with The Intercept and Type Investigations, contains a few scant examples of election fraud — but none of the instances in the 524-page discovery document involved mail-in ballots.

“Not only did the campaign fail to provide evidence that voter fraud was a widespread problem in Pennsylvania, they failed to provide any evidence that any misconduct occurred in the primary election or that so-called voter fraud is any sort of regular problem in Pennsylvania,” said Suzanne Almeida, interim director of Common Cause PA, one of the parties in the lawsuit. The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/20/trump-election-fraud-pennsylvania-court/

 

That's not going to make the cut on Fox News.

I think it's always a good idea to link to sources. I know we've had discussions about that in the past, with the previous population of conservatives.

The Intercept

 

I can’t speak on other states, but with my looking into Mail In for the state of Missouri, requiring notarization is good enough verification for me.