Nazi storm troopers now kidnapping citizens off the streets

Point 1, strange they let him walk away quietly after enduring that. But I was actually referring to the original video where they admitted they grabbed the wrong person in the van.

Point 2, that's exactly what happened. You can't detain someone without probable cause. Wearing the same clothes at an event where tons of people were wearing all black and helmets is not probable cause.

Point 3, I'm not complaining about them, I still sympathize with the rage (especially given the escalation by the feds), I'm merely trying to find common ground with you to fight the bigger evil. That's why I say if they must be arrested so be it, but do it through proper channels and methods.

 

The "Tank" gave an interesting interview, turns out he's a 53 year old naval officer and engineer.

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/474091-383299-portland-protester-describes-beating-by-federal-officers-

Portland protester describes beating by federal officers
Zane Sparling
Sunday, July 19, 2020

Christopher David is not the man of steel.

The Portlander earned that and other nicknames — some call him "Captain Planet" or "Supersoldier" — after he stood as solidly as a rock while federal officers pepper sprayed him and struck him at least five times with a baton during a rally outside the Hatfield Courthouse on Saturday, July 18.

Of the attack, captured on video by the Portland Tribune, David says he "just took it."

"I knew I was never going to react. I was never going to fight back," he said. "I'm a little too old to be beaten by a bunch of young guys."

David, 53, is hardly an anti-establishment type. He says he joined up at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland after high school, later serving with the Navy Seabees while becoming a commissioned officer and aeronautical engineer.

The unmatched series of protests here have waxed and waned for more than 50 nights, but Saturday's rally was David's first, his attendance spurred by reports of unmarked vans snatching protesters off the streets without due process.
He arrived around 8 p.m. and was just planning on leaving when federal officers burst out of the bricked-up front of the courthouse around 10:45 p.m.

David said he slowly approached the officers, hoping to engage them in dialogue.

"I felt these gentlemen were violating their oath of office, and I wanted to talk to them," he explained.

Things didn't go according to plan.

As some federal officers rushed to push down makeshift barricades propped against the outer doors of the courthouse, one officer pushed David back. He stood stock still as several more officers swarmed forward, striking him with a baton and pepper spraying him. David says he lost his vision momentarily, due to the spray and clouds of tear gas engulfing the park.

He sat down on a park bench, before being pulled back from the flashpoint by a street medic, Tav, who treated David and ensured that he was taken by an ambulance to the hospital. David says he has two fractures in his hand, and while it's currently in a splint, he is expecting to need surgery later this week.

After a flurry of attention, David is hoping life will soon return to normal. While he never did speak with the camouflaged feds, he hopes they hear his message:

"That oath of office is essentially swearing loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and what they're doing is not constitutional anymore."

Zane Sparling
Reporter

 

When police have orders to arrest someone, but mistakenly arrest someone else due to a misidentification, there is no constitutional violation, as long as the mistake was reasonable.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong about the escalation . . . the escalation started weeks before the feds showed up . . . it began when they damaged / destroyed the property of others.

 

No it's not FD . . . it's only how the liberal world see us.

 

anyone who doesn't parrot breitbart is a "liberal".

 

Because I don't follow Breitbart and regurgitate their views, I'm a liberal.

Now THAT'S funny . . .

 

It's only not a constitutional violation if they have probable cause. We'll see how that plays out in court.

Also, I would say it's getting objectively worse with their presence. There was little to no violence against people before they showed up. Both towards citizens and police. Somehow it seems to enrage and embolden people when you start indiscriminately abducting, beating, and gassing them...

 

You write that as if the vandalism and looting should be forgivable

I've got news for the rioters . . . the only thing protecting them against an enraged citizenry is the police. If law enforcement is seen as unable to quash these riots, I predict vigilantism will raise its ugly head, and the rioters will suffer much greater injustice.

 

No, i write it as if I find violence against people objectively worse than violence against property. Do you not?

It was dwindling down the way of the occupy protests before the feds arrived, now it's as big as it's ever been.

 

Give up. He will defend these storm troops to his dying day. At heart, he wants to be one of them. They can do no wrong in his eyes.

 

There is a generational divide in your thinking here, and I get it. I would have made the very same justification in my mind in my twenties..... Suddenly I find myself in my sixties. I struggle walking and my entire life's work is tied up into my home, family and my little business. There is not starting over for me. No future other than the future I have built. I have more years invested in building this place than you have been on this earth. There is no conceivable way you could see this from my perspective. My days are numbered. All that I have to prop up my family is these few things that I have built. And thing is.... I am old and tired. I would absolutely defend these things with my last breath.

 

That's a dodgy reply.

 

On some level I can understand your perspective, but I cannot understand holding property at the same level as human life. Ideally the government should be protecting business not just in the preventative sense, but also in rebuilding and assisting those who were damaged by it. Especially if letting a building fall will preserve human life.

Don't tell me we don't have money for this, right after doing yet another massive bailout for companies across the nation. If the multi-billion dollar companies can be helped when disaster they couldn't control strikes, so can you.

How so?

 

I fully and wholeheartedly agree with this. However your comment was finding violence against people objectively worse than violence against property. And on the face of it, yes that too is an admirable statement. My point is that my property does directly correlate the future lives of my wife and daughter. In other words, when you burn my building you have murdered my daughters future. That is a direct correlation in my mind and not something a young person just beginning their life's journey can possibly comprehend. And this is precisely why I will stand firmly against any glorification of vandalism and destruction and will never waiver from that.

 

Cheap words, coming from someone having a very one-sided agenda. No one (normal) wants to see the loss of human life. I'll also go so far as to say that anyone who cheers the destruction of property is also not normal.

That bailout was to save jobs at those companies, not add profit to the bottom line . . . stop reading the script.

Okay, I'm sure we can find it in Education and shovel-ready jobs.

I think that those convicted of property crimes should serve without compensation on restoration projects until completion. If they didn't live in Mommy's and / or Daddy's basement before, well now they can live out their fantasies.

 

Judging by this post you live a very rich fantasy life yourself.

 

Isn’t it something.... Toughcoins has built a life for himself by the sweat of his brow not relying on his momma to shred his bean sprouts for him. Perhaps that is the difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives understand what it means to work hard to create something meaningful. A concept foreign to liberals because their cabbage has been spoon fed to them.