The Hillary Tapes

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinOKC, Jun 16, 2014.

  1. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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    Hillary IS not a politician. She WAS a politician for a very brief period in her life, but she's a private citizen. I don't believe the story is politically motivated, regardless of which news outlet posted it. The article has absolutely nothing to do with Hillary's political leanings, it merely explains an event that happened in her life and that of a 12-year-old girl's that had nothing to do with politics.

    The article isn't even controversial. It's everything Hillary had to say. I even posted a link to a sound recording with her own voice. No one is disputing anything Hillary said.

    I'm merely asking whether or not anyone believes Hillary can be an advocate for children after knowing a child rapist was guilty, but took the case anyway. I'm also asking whether or not anyone believes or disbelieves the victim's account.

    Not a lot of controversy here. Just some simple questions.
     
  2. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    Life's experiences are allowed to change people's perspectives as they mature. I am sure Hillary's perspective on this issue changed significantly between the time of defending her 1st criminal case just out of law school through the time she married, became a Governor's Wife, became a mother herself to becoming a women's a children's advocate.

    I am sure many of the white indivduals that marched for civil rights experienced a change in their perspective on the issue of race (be it gradual or sudden) prior to partcipating.
     
  3. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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    Exactly what perspective of Hillary's do you think changed? If maturation changed her perspective into advocating for children, are you saying that she didn't advocate for children when she was practicing law and that she wasn't mature at that time?

    Sure, it's an "I saw the light" moment. Do you think Hillary gradually "saw the light" and realized that defending a child rapist she knew was guilty conflicted with her views on child advocacy? I haven't heard anything from Hillary supporting this view, in fact, all I've heard from Hillary is her laughing while discussing the case of her defense of the child rapist.
     
  4. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    Studies suggest individuals mature at different rates and some people reach a certain age and stop maturing altogether. Has your perspective changed and matured any since age 25?
     
  5. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    My core values haven't changed at all. I have a very difficult time believing that someone could not advocate for children and then have a sudden epiphany and begin advocating for children. The core just isn't there. I don't feel that Hillary's behavior has anything to do with maturity, actually.
     
  6. Recusant
    Spaced

    Recusant Member

    Pull the other one, CoinOKC, it's got bells on. Have you ever heard of the phrase "JAQing off"? This story is a perfect example of the disingenuous behaviour it describes. Nobody is buying it here, and you're insulting our intelligence with your fatuous depiction of the nature of this story.
     
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  7. Takiji

    Takiji Well-Known Member

    In a nutshell, a defense attorney's job is to make the state prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. A defense attorney may like and support his or her client and believe the client to be innocent. The attorney might know the client is guilty but support him or her anyway (political trials, for example). Or the attorney might despise everything the client stands for and be appalled by the crime. Whatever the situation, the job remains the same. Make the state prove its case.

    In A Man for All Seasons, Thomas More says to Coin's Roper, "I would give the Devil himself the benefit of law for my own protection". If no one is willing to defend the Devil and make the state prove its case against him rather than allowing the state to take him unopposed then we're all in danger, no matter how safe we might think ourselves.

    Whatever her personal feelings in the matter, Hilary did her public duty and there is no hypocrisy involved. The only hypocrites are those who profess to support the American system of justice while at the same time degenerating condemning the people who do the often unpleasant and emotionally difficult work needed to make it function with some semblance of fairness.
     
  8. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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    I don't know what thread you've been reading, but I haven't condemned Hillary for doing her job. If you .. ahem.. think I did, please point it out for all to see.
     
  9. justafarmer

    justafarmer Well-Known Member

    I am certain you don't believe it has anything to do with maturity and I feel if Hillary for some reason hadn't accepted this case you would feel she was a hypocrite as a criminal defense attorney. But i feel you are of the belief that neither Clinton is sincere in any actions they take or do.
     
  10. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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    No, not at all. It's only when people do hypocritical things that I think they're hypocritical.

    Let's just say that "Old Sniper Fire" and Monica Lewinsky's boyfriend are not at the top of my list of Most Sincere People In the World.
     
  11. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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  12. CoinOKC
    Yeehaw

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  13. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Clinton...legal...ethical

    Which one of these words doesn't belong?
     
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