Russia Invades Ukraine. Where's Obama?

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Minutes after issuing a stern warning to Russia and saying there will be a price to pay if it interferes militarily in Ukraine, President Obama headed to a “happy hour” with fellow Democrats.

Speaking at a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee, Mr. Obama struck a very different tone than he had less than 30 minutes earlier, when he appeared with little warning in the White House press briefing room and issued a vague threat to Moscow.

“Well, it’s Friday. It’s after 5 o’clock. So, this is now officially happy hour with the Democratic party,” the president told his cohorts. “I can do that. It is an executive action. I have the authority.”

 

In spite of what you and Fox Nation thinks (see unsourced story here) http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/02/28/russia-invades-ukraine-obama-declares-happy-hour
the Ukraine is not part of NATO and we are not obligated to defend them. What exactly are our strategic interests here? Maybe you can enlighten us. Why would we be risking WWIII by attacking a nuclear power like Russia? I would just love to hear what you would do in Obama's place. I guess he could do exactly what the Bush Administration did when Russia invaded Georgia. He could make things worse but we sort of leave that behavior to your side of the aisle. You just have so much more experience making these international situations worse than they have to be that we will just leave that to your expertise.

We are NOT the world's policemen and we have no strategic interest in the area. I'm sure McCain will come out with guns blazing as he always does. He never met a conflict that he didn't want to make bigger.

 

I'm asking the same questions, but Obama said "there will be costs" if Russia invades Ukraine. If we have no strategic interests there, why should there be any "cost"? Hmmmmm?

I'm much more interested in hearing what Obama is going to do. He has the power to back up his "there will be costs" statement and whatever he decides could be potentially devastating.

But, if he did exactly what Bush did, you wouldn't like it. Would you prefer that Obama went to war?

Nonsense.

Thank you! You don't mind if I continue to quote you on that statement, do you?

It seems to me that's exactly what Obama wanted to do in Syria. That is, until Putin put an end to Obama's hawkish ideas.

 

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That is pretty much unparalleled nonsense from start to finish. If anyone were to take an objective view at the Right-wing in this country and their endless criticisms before, during, and after of our foreign policy in any international crisis, one would have to conclude that they are rooting for the enemies of this country to win. Offering policy alternatives would be one thing, but criticism for the sake of criticism is nothing more than couched treason in my opinion. It seems that the South's love and history of treason never dies.

 

Do you have any comments regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine and/or Obama's rhetoric?

 

Roughly a third of Ukraine, the Eastern and Southern areas, are pro-Russian. The rest is pro-European.

A border could, and imo should, be drawn between the two, creating two separate countries.

 

Yes, Obama is saying exactly what he should be saying and Russia has indeed invaded another former Soviet republic.

The smartest thing we can do is to let the Ukrainian people get pissed off enough to start terrorizing Russia the way the Chechens terrorize the Russians. We and Europe can place sanctions on Russia making it harder for them to wage war on Ukraine and no doubt the Chechens will do all they can to help in the effort. Let Russia fight another costly war and see just how much they like Putin after that. In other words, play the long game.

Agreed?

 

Finally! A cogent response. I'm proud of you IQ<1....!

 

How are we going to "let the Ukranian people get pissed off enough"? What if they don't? But, if they do, as you've said before we have no strategic interest in the area. Therefore, what does it matter to us whether or not they get pissed off?

I doubt any sanctions we and/or Europe impose are going to affect Russia in any meaningful way.

Oh, here we go again. You're advocating for Russia to fight another war. What about all that "humanitarian" drivel you used to spout about Libya, etc.? You just don't seem to care how much blood is spilled as long as its not yours.

You should know by now that I seldom agree with you on anything.

 

So, "Happy Hour" Obama has threatened Russia that "there will be costs" (Obama's words) if Russia invades Ukraine. Well, Russia has invaded Ukraine.

Obama wasn't specific about what those costs might be. But, if Obama is a man of his word, there will be costs.

Maybe Obama was talking about sanctions. Maybe he was talking about military intervention. Maybe he was talking about the costs of fuel for the Russian tanks? Who knows?

Regardless, what do you think the "costs" should be? This is simply a question to try to gauge the opinion of our forum members. How Obama will react to this and what "costs" he will impose have yet to be determined.

 

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You seem to doubt everything. You've made no suggestion as usual. You simply criticize anyone else that does. You approach everything from the coward's vantage point. Must be nice to sit there on the fence and judge others for taking actions, expressing opinions, and having original thoughts you'll never have. Coward.

I've told you exactly what I think we should do. If you decide to grow a pair, maybe we'll get an original thought from you aside from what Fox tells you to think.

 

You said that we have no strategic interests in the region and that we are not the world's policemen. Would you have Obama do anything differently than what Bush did when Russia invaded Georgia? If so, what?

 

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He's got a point here.

What would YOU do?

Before you come back with "well what would YOU do?" I asked first.

Personally I can't see any advantage in getting too involved.

Think about it (if possible). If those "socialists Canadians" started having problems with us good old Americans and vice verse would we want the Russians involved?

Probably not.

Would you please make a valid point?

 

I will agree with the point you made, Clembo:

Now, it's just conjecture at this point, but would you care to comment on Obama's "costs" remark? I've stated that the costs could be sanctions. Or military intervention. Or (half-joking) the "costs" of fuel in the Russian tanks. Let me add to that by saying that Obama may be confusing Russia with Obamacare and said "there will be costs".

Anyway, Obama telephoned Putin and told him that it's in the best interests of the region that Russia withdraw from Ukraine. Putin basically told Obama to go to hell.

So, to sum it up, Obama told Russia "there will be costs" if Russia invades Ukraine. Russia invaded Ukraine. Obama phoned Putin and told him to get out of there. Putin refused. It's a stalemate until one or the other makes a move.

Should Obama wait to see what Putin does? Should Obama make a move first? Should Obama let the stalemate play out a little longer until other countries perhaps enter the fray? Of course it goes without saying that Obama should attempt to end the fight using diplomatic means.

Should Obama try to end it by imposing his "costs" (whatever those "costs" may be)?

 

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Again... You can't bring yourself to say what you think we should do? Nobody really needs you to sum up the current situation for them. We all have access to the same information you do. Do you even have one courageous bone in your body?
I continue to assert that the fact that you have offered no opinion on what you think our response should be, you have absolutely no right to criticize others for offering theirs which of course is all you have done... and then of course you summed up all of the events we all already knew about. Just what are you adding to this conversation anyway?

One more time. WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR RESPONSE SHOULD BE?!!

 

Already stated. I agree with what Clembo said. "Personally I can't see any advantage in getting too involved".