Now Which Lie Will The Tea Party Use to Raise Money?

For lost causes?
House Republicans Have 'No Plans' To Shut Down The Government Over Obamacare Again

Posted: 12/02/2013 12:52 pm EST
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WASHINGTON -- If the U.S. government shuts down again in mid-January, it won't be because House Republicans are demanding the repeal of the president's health care law, in a repeat of the standoff that occurred earlier this fall.
"There are no plans to tie a repeal vote to a government funding bill," a senior House GOP aide told The Huffington Post.
House Republican leaders made similar remarks during the run-up to the Oct. 1 deadline to fund the government, only to reverse course under pressure from conservatives in the party, so it's worth taking this statement with a grain of salt. But there have been signals that Republicans have come to believe it's better to let the Affordable Care Act encounter its own struggles than to be seen as demanding its destruction.
The talking points that House Republicans prepared for the Thanksgiving break included a conspicuously bolded line: "Republicans are still committed to full repeal." But that section was overshadowed by various suggestions of ways lawmakers could attack Obamacare and highlight its shortcomings instead.
A Democratic Senate aide familiar with current budget talks, meanwhile, said there is little evidence that Republicans plan to demand health care reform repeal as part of a final agreement. Those talks, which are geared toward funding the government once the current spending bill runs out in mid-January, have mainly focused on how to replace the spending cuts brought about by sequestration.
What this ultimately means for the repeal movement depends on whom you ask. Critics of the law insist that legislative fixes should still be considered, including bills that would give those who have had their insurance policies canceled under Obamacare the right to keep them. Those same critics also say that should Republicans regain control of the Senate in 2014 and retain control of the House, it will provide momentum behind efforts to undo the law.
But by that point, millions of individuals will likely have bought insurance through the Affordable Care Act. Republicans would therefore be more likely to tinker with the law -- while maintaining coverage for those who had purchased it, many for the first time -- than push for its complete repeal.
"I think the hopelessness of the repeal campaign — the absence of a viable legislative vehicle, the turning tide of Healthcare.gov, the initiation of insurance benefits — is becoming clear to elected Republicans, and its dying embers will be fully extinguished by early next year," Salon's Brian Beutler wrote on Monday morning.

 

Ya know, you've been spewing this "Right-wing echo chamber" garbage but it appears the only one regurgitating partisan propaganda is you.

 

You really have to look up the meaning of propaganda. Ted Cruz openly uses the Obamacare boogieman to raise money with the full knowledge that he nor anyone else can repeal the ACA law. He is not the only Right-winger doing this. I just wonder what the next issue is going to be that raises millions for lost causes.

 

That "boogieman"is goin' to get you but good.

And Ted Cruz may not be able to repeal Obamacare by himself, but I guarantee that if it continues down the path it is following now, it will be repealed. If by nothing but popular demand.

 

If all it took was popular demand, we'd have a minimum wage increase, we'd have an assault weapons ban and background checks, and we'd have immigration reform. But I'll guarantee you something in return. The longer the ACA is around, the more people are going to like it.

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Try asking the WCTU what popular demand can do - and that was before the internet. And then there was the "fairness Doctrine". And "Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act". So, yes, laws absolutely can be repealed and public demand absolutely can be the driving force.

BTW, you are dreaming if you think pulling the health insurance from 130,000,000 people will ever be popular. Particularly when 70% are paying more for worse coverage and NOT getting credits for it. And all of this just so they can cover an additional 10,000,000 but still leave 30,000,000 uncovered.

 

You spew too many Right-wing lies to ever have me take you seriously.

Answer me one question: What exactly was the Republican's plan to fix health care? Oh yeah, they don't have one, never did, still don't, but criticizing, sabotaging, and undermining the ONLY plan out there is all they have. Nice!

 

The biggest thing would be to reform things bit by bit rather than trying to reinvent the wheel.
1.) Eliminate the very limited options available under Obamacare to increase competition.
2.) Get rid of the individual mandate.
3.) Get rid of the corporate mandate.
4.) Get rid of the religious mandate.
5.) Increase the number of doctors.
6.) Lawsuit reform.
7.) Allow insurance sales across state lines to increase competition.
8.) Make healthcare an individual choice rather than a one size fits all so nothing fits anyone.

 

Under the current minimum wage a single worker can work a 40 hour work week and still retain the Obamacare expanded Medicare benefit. With minimum wage increased to the proposed $9.00 it drops to 32.5 hour work week before losing the benefit.

A Family of 4 both parents working with current minimum wage both can work over 40 hrs weekly without losing the expnded medicaid benefit. At the proposed $9.00 it drops to 23.5 hrs each a week.

 

If I understand your point, as someone makes more money, they qualify for less government benefits specifically "Medicare"... I'm guessing that you meant Medicaid but you do reference both programs?

 

No matter how you slice it (or how obtuse you want to be) all of these BO/liberal progressive big ideas create a disincentive to work and increase dependence on the federal gubmint.

 

Blanket statements with no specifics are just so, so, well they are blanket statements after all.

 

Yada yada yada...all of this criticizm coming from a guy who only cuts & pastes from left wing blogs & never has an original thought, post or opinion of his own

 

...says the far-left's resident troll...

 

Yes, when you have nothing, personal attacks are a great substitute for actual substance. Let's make it about me. That way you don't have to acknowledge being wrong again. Good plan.

 

Now I know what the substitute for the Obamacare boogieman is going to be for the Tea Party. Benghazi and the IRS "scandals" so to speak. Meet the new boss... Same as the old boss. Won't get fooled again.

 

LOL...I got this one saved! Of course, the term "more" is relative. We have to find someone that likes it now!

1 x 2 = 100% increase...and that's what Joe will claim.

 

You'll find that Little Joe's math skills are atrocious.

 

Please do save it. I know I will. And I can already predict your canned response to the new laws popularity. "All those people that like the Affordable Care Act (sorry Obamacare) are just dependent on gubermint". Most Americans already oppose repeal which was all the Right-wing retards had. Now what?

 

THIS IS A MUST READ IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF ​

The funny part as I see it is that you nattering nay-bobs are absolutely convinced that this law is going to be so unpopular. You have been stuck in your own little echo chamber for so long that you think that everyone believes the same nonsense you take as gospel. A little reading of history wouldn't hurt you guys one bit. I suggest that you take a look both at what was said about other similar government programs at their inception and how they are regarded today. Try taking Medicare away from seniors and see how much they hate the program. Try taking Social security away from folks and see just how much people are happy with that little change. Here are some dire predictions:

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The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page predicts that the legislation will lead to “deteriorating service.” Business groups warn that Washington bureaucrats will invade “the privacy of the examination room,” that we are on the road to rationed care and that patients will lose the “freedom to choose their own doctor.”​

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Here is the funny part. These quotes are not from the Affordable Care Act debate we are having today but rather from the 1960's debate over Medicare. Can you really tell the difference between the debate they had then and the one we are having now?

Some 25 years earlier, when Social Security was being debated, Roosevelt's critics said:

.... it was a job killer. When he proposed it in 1935, the former head of the chamber of commerce, Silas Hardy Strawn, dubbed the plan an effort "to Sovietize America." Other critics cried socialism, and Senator Daniel Hastings of Delaware said passing the plan would "end the progress of a great country."​

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Wow, that first line literally echos John Boehner doesn't it? Right down to the same claim of "Socialism" we hear today the Right-wing predictions have been wrong every time. ​

Now you fools seem to think that just because YOU are the current haters that history isn't going to echo the exact same result. You really must think that you are special. ​

Wrong side of history then, wrong side of history now. ​