How Do Enjoy Having A Leader Who Flat-Out Lied To America?

There's no sugar-coating it. Obama lied to you. He lied to me. He lied to all of us. He knew all along that many people wouldn't be able to keep their current insurance plans. Yet, he looked us all in the face and lied to us and told us we would. Whether you like Obamacare or not, you should be ashamed to call this man our leader. How can we possibly trust anything that escapes this man's lips?

Top Dem admits ObamaCare could have been 'more precise' about people losing health plans

October 29, 2013
A top Democratic official conceded Tuesday that the health care overhaul should have been "more precise" in acknowledging the possibility that some Americans would lose their current insurance plans -- even as the White House defended its past statements on the law.

The admission from House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer comes after a 2010 document emerged that predicted millions might be dropped by their providers.

The document helped explain why thousands are already getting cancellation notices and being guided toward new plans. It also gave new meaning to Nancy Pelosi's infamous remark, shortly before the complex legislation was approved in March 2010, that "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Hoyer said Tuesday that officials knew some health plans would not qualify under the new ObamaCare regulations. He said the overall message to the public was accurate -- just not precise enough.

Hoyer said there should have been more caveats so people were clear about what to expect.

President Obama, back when he was promoting the health care proposal, did not use many caveats in assuring the public they'd be able to keep their plans if they wanted.

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period," he said in 2009, during an American Medical Association conference. "If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."

But White House Press Secretary Jay Carney claimed Tuesday that Obama did not mislead the American people.

"The president was clear about a basic fact," Carney said, explaining that those who liked their plan could continue to keep that plan so long as the policy didn't change.

That nuance, though, seemed lost in several of Obama's past statements.

Fox News confirmed on Monday that despite the president's assurances, a 2010 IRS document predicted a huge swath of customers could lose their coverage.

The document addressed a rule in the law that states individual policies purchased on or before March 23, 2010 would be "grandfathered" -- or exempt from changes required under ObamaCare. However, the provision was changed so that plans that undergo "significant changes" could lose that special status.

The IRS document estimated that "40 percent to 67 percent" of policies would in fact lose the status, meaning customers could be kicked off those plans because they don't meet minimum coverage requirements. The document was earlier reported by NBC News.

The Obama administration argues that for those being kicked off their plans, they mostly will be offered policies with stronger consumer protections.

"It's true that there are existing health care plans on the individual market that don't meet those minimum standards and, therefore, do not qualify for the Affordable Care Act," Carney said. "But what is also true is that ... Americans who have insurance on the existing individual market will now have numerous options available to them."

But Republicans argue this flies in the face of Obama's repeated claims that people would not lose their current coverage.

Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., was introducing the "Keep Your Health Plan Act" in a bid to address widespread reports of people losing their current plans. CBS News reported Monday that more than 2 million Americans have already been told they can't renew their policies.

"This legislation is about providing folks the peace of mind that they will be allowed to keep their current coverage if they so choose," Upton said in a statement. The bill would allow plans sold on the market today to continue to be available.

White House spokeswoman Jessica Santillo said in a statement that those getting notices are in plans "that do not provide all these protections."

"But in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits," she said.

She still claimed, though, that "Nothing in the Affordable Care Act forces people out of their health plans: the law allows plans that covered people at the time the law was enacted to continue to offer that same coverage to the same enrollees - nothing has changed and that coverage can continue into 2014."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-as-files-show-govt-knew-millions-could-lose/

 

Here, here!

 

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/s...handel-lays-out-case-against-obama-others-ne/

 

OMG the President lied. I'd think that after 8 years of Bush and 4+ under the current regime we would understand that this is the way things are. Of course the tradition of the Liar-in-Chief predates Barack and Dubya by a couple of centuries. They are just the most recent holders of the office. In a few years' time we'll vote to elect a new and different Liar. Is this country great or what?

 

Of course we've been lied to before and that excuses this exactly.... how?

Obama was supposed to be the harbinger of "hope" and "change" and was to usher in a new era of honest government. He ran on a platform of transparency and honesty, ideals of which both have been shot straight to hell. He supposedly wasn't going to be another Bill Clinton who would lie through his teeth to save his own hide, but apparently that's exactly what we got.

I'm not excusing the lies other presidents have told us, Takiji. But, this is our current leader and the one who we've given power to lead us and to change our lives (hopefully for the better). Damn it, I'm sick of being told that we would follow a new path to enlightened government, but then be led down a dark path of lies and deception especially by one who promised so much more.

 

Exactly when did I say that it excused anything? I simply said that the lies shouldn't be a surprise. Just business as usual.

 

That sounds like an excuse.

 

Yes. And...?

 

Read the title of this thread.

 

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Shrug. You worry about it. I'll just make some figurative popcorn and watch the show.

 

I find it curious that you can remain so ambivalent about the man who is sworn to lead our country, yet blatantly lies to your face. If you're tolerant of being lied to, well, that's your business.

 

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It's the way it is. I also tolerate the rain and bad breath an lousy drivers and even Davy up to a point.

 

Suit yourself. No one is telling you that you have to be offended when your leader lies to you; it's your choice. But, my opinion is that it disgusts me when our leaders lie to us. Just sayin'.

 

To be offended you have to care.

 

In that case, I hope you're offended, Takiji. I really do.

 

No, Coin, I've moved on to a certain degree. It's all interesting to watch. And I am curious about where it will all lead. If anywhere. But I have other more mundane domestic and personal things to focus on. The country will just have to struggle on without my input. And for some people here that's not a bad thing at all lol

 

Imagine the outrage coming from the far left if it had been a Republican prez lying, to this degree, to get his ideology advanced.