Republicans Can’t Get Over Not Being Able to Thump Syria

Well, when one world leader is made to look inconsequential by the leadership of another, what is there to lose? Our standing in the world community? Credibility? Our leadership position? Clout? I'm sure there are many more so take your pick.

 

I am not sure we have lost much - yet. Except our reputation and international standing. I will bet Putin, Assad, Khamenei, etc. are having a good laugh at our expense.

 

You are SUCH a partisan hack. Even ultra-lib Andrea Mitchell admits that Obama bungled this one and, for once, I agree with her:

ANDREA MITCHELL: Support does not exist for this. You're right: the President has to speak. I think that they have to also get past the bungling last week. The fact that the President was so ambivalent but didn't even communicate that to his Secretary of State and to his Vice-President. The Vice-President gave a passionate speech last Wednesday to the American Legion. Kerry spoke twice. Friday he spoke coming out of a session of the National Security Council, sent out by the President to give an emphatic call to arms and to declassify the intelligence, critically. That's the penultimate step. That's what you do right before missiles fly. That's not what you do a week or two before.​

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My friend here Robert Gibbs talked about the "sequencing" on Meet The Press. He was being I think very careful in signalling that it was not the way he would have ordered it up--giggling right next to me here.​

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Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/09/04/wow-andrea-mitchell-accuses-obama-bungling-syria#ixzz2fBXzYT9p​

 

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Oh I see, because the Right-wing fringe wacko's in this country want to put a negative spin on a successful diplomatic outcome, you think that this country lost credibility even though the vast majority of Americans like this outcome (the non-war outcome) AND the world has also said that they didn't want war but favored a diplomatic solution and we "LOST" credibility over this?

You know, I know the Right-wing fringy fanatics live on another planet but the rest of us like this outcome even if you have a severe case of blacktracking to contend with.

So to sum it up, we lost credibility based on.... God knows what definition of credibility?

 

Hum?

World Leaders Praise U.S.-Russia Deal On Syria

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad greets Syrian army soldiers in Daraya on August 1.

September 15, 2013
World leaders have praised a U.S.-Russian agreement requiring Syria to list all of its chemical weapons within a week and destroy the arsenal by mid-2014.

The deal was announced by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on September 14, after three days of talks in Geneva.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, speaking in Beijing alongside visiting French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius on September 15, said the agreement would help ease Syria’s crisis.

"China welcomes the framework agreement reached recently in Geneva by Russia and the United States about how to deal with Syria's chemical weapons arsenal," Yi said. "We believe that this framework agreement has ameliorated the present explosive and tense situation in Syria and has opened a new perspective on using peaceful methods to resolve the Syrian chemical weapons issue."

The French foreign minister said he also has a series of meetings on the plan in the coming days.

"The Geneva agreement, the draft framework agreement, is an important progress," Fabius said. "Of course, it doesn't resolve everything. There are a number of details to go through. I will meet with our colleagues, John Kerry and [British Foreign Secretary] William Hague in Paris [on September 16], and I will be in Moscow the following morning to meet our colleague, Mr. Lavrov. But on the basis of the draft framework agreement, we have to move forward."

French President Francois Hollande meanwhile said a UN resolution on Syria could be voted on by the end of next week. Hollande, speaking live on TF1 television, said the U.S.-Russian deal is an "important step" but "not an endpoint."

Israeli officials were briefed about the plan by Kerry during a visit to Israel on September 15. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said “the real test” of the pact “will be in its implementation: the full dismantling of the regime's chemical weapons stockpile."

Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi meanwhile called the deal “a step closer to a political solution” for Syria.

Ali Haidar, Syria’s minister for national reconciliation, called the agreement “a victory for Syria.”

Haidar said the deal had “averted a war” and would “help the Syrians emerge from crisis.”

But the opposition Syrian National Coalition criticized the plan, saying Assad has repeatedly shown he can’t be trusted to keep promises.

The Syrian National Coalition also called for a ban on ballistic missiles and the use of air power by Assad’s forces.

Free Syrian Army (FSA) commander Salim Idriss said accused Syria’s military of redeploying chemical weapons to Lebanon and Iraq in recent days.

"When the inspectors from the United Nations come to Syria, the regime will have weapons, chemical weapons, chemical materials in Iraq and in Lebanon," Idriss said. "And we are afraid that the regime will use these materials against the civilians in Syria, against the fighters of the FSA."

U.S. President Barack Obama, speaking on U.S. television on September 15, rejected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s suggestion that Syrian rebels were responsible for the August 21 chemical gas attack that killed more than 1,400 people in the suburbs of Damascus.

Obama said “nobody in the world takes seriously” Putin’s claim. But Obama welcomed Putin’s involvement in a possible diplomatic solution -- stressing that any deal with Syria must include a verifiable way to ensure that Assad’s regime gives up all of its chemical weapons.

Obama also revealed that he and newly elected Iranian President Hassan Rohani have exchanged letters about the situation in Syria.

http://www.rferl.org/content/obama-rohani-correspondence/25106904.html

 

Mr. Race Baiter is still avoiding the questions. We answered yours, but you cannot answer our?

Why today's crisis was other than the same crisis from 2 years ago?
Maybe your English is not the same as our English, but how is "removed" different than "removed", or different than "has got to go"?
Just exactly where did either I or David ever say that Obama did not call "for Assad to be removed"?
Just where have either of us changed one iota of what we said?
Why can you not to admit that you made a mistake?

 

Make no mistake, I'm glad about the outcome...I think this was the best possible solution.
I just wish WE had been responsible for it...I wish WE had come up with the solutuion years ago, back when BO first started jacking with the issue. I wish WE weren't made to look like chumps while the Russians waltzed in & took care of business.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about how we are perceived. It's only the bat-shit crazy fringe extremo Right-wing fanatics that have this inane adherence to seeing this as a failure. Nobody cares what they think anyway. Now let's talk about Iran's overtures since this deal was reached. They seem to be willing to talk and that is simply a by-product of the Syria deal. I just love being on this side of the aisle.

 

Why are you guys ignoring post #46? The world leaders are saying exactly the opposite of what you are saying about this deal for some strange reason. Perhaps they don't run stories like this on FOX? Yeah, that's it.

 

Why are you ignoring posts #21 , #25 , #28 , #32 , #33 , #35 , #37 , #38 , #41 , #42 , #43 , and #47?

 

SPITE

 

Really? That is the best come back you have? Straight from your post #46 - "When the inspectors from the United Nations come to Syria, the regime will have weapons, chemical weapons, chemical materials in Iraq and in Lebanon,"

Mr. Race Baiter is still avoiding the questions. We answered yours, but you cannot answer our?

Why today's crisis was other than the same crisis from 2 years ago?
Maybe your English is not the same as our English, but how is "removed" different than "removed", or different than "has got to go"?
Just exactly where did either I or David ever say that Obama did not call "for Assad to be removed"?
Just where have either of us changed one iota of what we said?
Why can you not to admit that you made a mistake?

 

It's even more pathetic that BO would try to save face by riding Putin's coat tails & try to take credit for something he had nothing to do with. We should be better than that...but I guess his history speaks for itself. He claimed to have saved Detroit, took credit for killing bin laden, accepted a Peace prize for doing nothing, so, yeah.

 

Obama's former Defense Secretaries disagree with you.
Former defense secretaries criticize Obama over Syria

Former defense secretaries Robert Gates and Leon Panetta criticized President Obama's strategy regarding the Syrian civil war Tuesday, with both agreeing that Obama should not have sought the approval of Congress for a military strike against the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.​

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Speaking at a forum in Dallas, Gates and Panetta, Obama's first two defense secretaries, disagreed on whether the United States should ultimately carry out a military strike in retaliation for a chemical attack that the U.S. says killed 1,400 people. However, both expressed skepticism (and occasionally sarcasm) about ongoing negotiations, led by Russia, for Assad to hand over his stockpile of chemical weapons to the international community.​

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Panetta said he supported a strike because Obama needed to enforce the "red line" he set over Syria's use of chemical weapons.​

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"When the president of the United States draws a red line, the credibility of this country is dependent on him backing up his word," Panetta said.​

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But Gates said a strike would be like "throwing gasoline on an extremely complex fire in the Middle East." He brought up past interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya as examples of how American military action can lead to unintended consequences.​

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He also dismissed attacking Syria to enforce a red line.​

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"I believe to blow a bunch of stuff up over a couple of days to underscore or validate a point or principle is not a strategy," he said.​

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/18/former-defense-secretaries-criticize-obama-over-syria/#ixzz2fFgUHnAI​

 

Results speak for themselves. Again, what did we actually lose in this deal? I'm still trying to figure out how we lost anything.

 

You mean pointing a gun at Syria's head was doing nothing? I see.

 

Let me quote something I saw before;

Believe me, Asaad knows that better than you.

 

Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read your post. At no point.... Oh what the hell.

 

So, RB, those words work when they support your points (or supposedly support, anyway), but are out of place when they belie your point. Unfortunately for you, the truth applies equally to both side just like the Constitution.