Why You Should Never Trust a Libertarian

Third grade.

 

For all the chit these constitutionalists talk about, the constitution may as well be toilet paper.

 

We "know" where the orders came from? Really? Elena Kagan doesn't know...neither do I.

Not such a "lame" point when you claim he DID torture people. Why not mention my second point...that water boarding ISN'T torture?

It's such a ridiculous statement that it doesn't warrant a response. It's like if I asked you, "Have you stopped beating your wife?". Both a "yes" and "no" answer label you as a "wife beater".

The Second Gulf War was a multi-national response to repeated violations of seven (7) unanimous UN Security Council resolutions. The case that was filed in "San Francisco" this past March isn't a criminal trial at all; it's a tort action.

Doesn't it seem odd to you that this tort suit is being brought ten (10) years after the fact and timed to have the trial occur in conjunction with the 2014 mid-term elections? (dirty underwear against the wall...again)

Do you even know what "procedural immunity" is? Let me help you out with that...

In other words, the trial goes on, but with the United States of America as the defendant. Do I need to explain to you what a "tort claim" is?

Some politicians are held to account (like Scooter Libby), but I agree, many get away...like Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and Chuck Schumer.

When it comes to Dick Cheney, you have nothing to besmirch the honorable service of this great American!!

 

No...a third-grader would know.

 

You know Yaky, You are a refreshing change to the usual FOX parrots only in that you can write more than a noun, a verb, and a personal insult. But that is as about as far as you get above the usual lowbrow crowd that represents the Right in this forum. Congratulations on being king of the dolts.

The problem I have with you for the most part isn't a lack of an ability to articulate a position but the lack of any coherent logical connection between what you say and what is being discussed. You take the tangentially related topic approach and then toss in something you just looked up on the internet while pretending to have some sort of intellectually superior knowledge of any given subject. I'm sure it fools some, just not me, but again, you are more fun to argue with and neither of us seems to be under the illusion that we are changing anyone's mind or political opinion.

 

To put a finer point of Cheney, let's look at his popularity as polled near the end of his second term:

Polls: Cheney Nears Quayle as Least Popular Veep

By MEGAN THEE
Vice President Dick Cheney’s popularity has hit an all-time low, with recent polling by The New York Times and CBS News suggesting that he has replaced Dan Quayle as the most unpopular vice president in recent history.
Two polls taken in May and June reveal an erosion of Mr. Cheney’s base of support — seen in both his job approval rating and his favorability. Just 28 percent of those polled in June approve of the job Mr. Cheney is doing, while 59 percent disapprove — a reading similar to that of President Bush. (In July, 1992, Dan Quayle’s job approval rating reached an all-time low with 63 percent of the public disapproving of the job he was doing as vice president.)
The highest rating for Mr. Cheney was 56 percent in August 2002. Mr. Cheney’s favorability among Americans has also suffered — it fell to 13 percent in May, from a high of 43 percent in October 2000.
The polling shows that he is even having trouble among his conservative base. Just 31 percent of Republicans and 26 percent of conservatives say they have a favorable opinion of Mr. Cheney. And 47 percent of conservatives questioned say they approve of the job he is doing, while 40 percent disapprove.

 

Shows what you know about 3rd-graders.

Now, I'm tempted to have you go ahead and ramble on about what you know about it, to "set me straight", as it were, but honestly, you doing that would bore the hell out of me. Most of this BS does anyway, but there's something about people spouting constitutional BS that is just that much more boring than usual. Maybe it's the way you think others don't understand it correctly (yawns), or maybe it's because I think your type of people aren't worth my time, who knows. Either way, or any way, you'd just bore the hell out of me with your blabbering about the constitution.

If you ever get interested in something other than boring the hell out of me, feel free to write it out and post it here. I may even read it.

 

I apologize...my intention has never been to bore you.

 

It's GOOD to be the King!

 

I hope you're referring to Tom Petty.

I also like the way one your minion dolt Coiny chimed in and acknowledged you as king of the dolts. Refreshing honesty for a change.

 

In 1947, a Japanese soldier who used water boarding against a U.S. citizen during World War II was sentenced to 15 years in U.S. prison for committing a war crime.

Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, concurred by stating, in a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, that he believes waterboarding violates Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions

Bent Sørensen, Senior Medical Consultant to the International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims and former member of the United Nations Committee Against Torture has said:
It's a clear-cut case: Waterboarding can without any reservation be labeled as torture. It fulfils all of the four central criteria that according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture (UNCAT) defines an act of torture. First, when water is forced into your lungs in this fashion, in addition to the pain you are likely to experience an immediate and extreme fear of death. You may even suffer a heart attack from the stress or damage to the lungs and brain from inhalation of water and oxygen deprivation. In other words there is no doubt that waterboarding causes severe physical and/or mental suffering– one central element in the UNCAT's definition of torture. In addition the CIA's waterboarding clearly fulfills the three additional definition criteria stated in the Convention for a deed to be labeled torture, since it is 1) done intentionally, 2) for a specific purpose and 3) by a representative of a state– in this case the US

Congress banned waterboarding in the US military in 2005

2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized "submersion of the head in water" as torture in its examination of Tunisia's poor human rights record

6 September 2006, the U.S. Department of Defense released a revised Army Field Manual entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations that prohibits the use of waterboarding by U.S. military personnel.


Senator John McCain, who was tortured as a POW during the Vietnam War, says water boarding is definitely a form of torture
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/politics/main3554687.shtml


— Convention Against Torture, Article 1.1
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

 

Now I remember when you Americans were up in arms about us Brits using sleep deprivation and white noise against IRA members as a form of Interigation at least that wouldnt kill the Bastards

 

We have one political party that condones torture and one that is against torture. The world will experience torture when the Republicans control the White House and the world will not experience torture when the Democrats are in the White House. The Republican Party is known for it's cruelty both internationally and domestically. I mean look at the food stamp program, the unemployment benefits program, or any other social program that helps people in need and how the Republicans treat them. They are just hateful, angry, selfish monsters. And they don't care.

 

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I'm sure waterboarding (or it's cousin...sleep deprivation) could be considered torture by those who have never experienced it. But that's like describing a pillow fight as an Act of Terrorism. Sure, I suppose someone could get knocked off the bed and break their neck.

 

Paul Wolfowitz was the true architect behind the Iraq invasion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz

That the Justice Department filed papers to protect all of them is criminal in it's own right.

Nice system we have here.

That was sarcasm, btw, meant for those who would intentionally ignore the obvious use of it here.

 

I've never been a fan of Mancow but at least he had the balls to actually experience waterboarding.





He didn't like it.


You out there Yak?