Growing Number Of States Are Reporting Lower Than Expected Health Care Premiums

OOPS! I am not in the KKK and I am not of the political party they were - DEMOCRAT.

BTW, I take great offense at saying such things! Apparently you fit into the liberal mold and do nothing but throw insults when you cannot argue facts.

 

Well, like everything else you spout, you have it backwards. But, what more could I have expected.

 

Here is a list of KKK members and noted segregationists. Who was the Republican?
Harry Truman
Robert Byrd
Hugo Black
Theodore G. Bilbo
Bibb Graves
Clifford Walker
George Gordon
David Duke

Lester Maddox
Al Gore
George Wallace

 

Yeah, republicans would never do that. Sorry for ruffling your delicate disposition. I forget how sensitive conservatives are to everything.

 

Humm? There were that many Republican KKK members, huh? Got you loud and clear!

 

I could cite the same Wikipedia link you got your list from, where you neglected to mention the Republican members. I think the voting bloc says it best though.

 

It is rather telling how Dick Rimmer cherry picked the names to make a point that isn't really supported by the facts unless you cherry pick the facts which of course he did. It says that the truth isn't important to him, being right or at least seen as being right is what really matters. Is there any way to deal with people this committed to false ideals? No, they are unaffected by facts, logic, or the truth. Undoubtedly they will die in the ignorance they refer and good riddance to 'em.

 

Apparently Obamacare discourages extra effort:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100921864

 

Loverly! Doing whatever they can to discourage work and wonder why unemployment is so high!

 

...and pre-existing coverage may not be what was promised:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gao...lment-obamacare-s-pre-existing-condition-plan

 

Dumb assertion #1. Just like working overtime can push you into a higher tax bracket but doesn't seem to prevent people from doing it anyway.

Dumb assertion #2 See dumb assertion #1

 

Discovered You Have Cancer Today? Sorry! PCIP Closed Enrollment Yesterday.


The Pre-Existing Condition Plan (PCIP) - passed as part of ObamaCare (PPACA) as a stopgap measure until January, 2014 rolled around - was originally projected to serve almost 400,000 people. It's ended up enrolling just about 100,000, but at a cost far, far beyond that which was initially projected.

The average cost for an enrollee in 2012 was $32,108...​

The upshot of this is that yesterday the administration announced it would close enrollment in the program effective immediately to preserve remaining funds so as to be able to treat existing enrollees until January 1, 2014. (At that point those enrolled will, in theory, be able to obtain insurance on the PPACA's new health exchanges.)

The Obama administration on Friday said it would stop enrolling new beneficiaries in a special $5 billion insurance program for people with pre-existing medical conditions, because of rising costs and limited funding...​

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services issued a notice on Friday saying it would suspend new enrollments beginning on Saturday to "help ensure that funds are available through 2013 to continuously cover people currently enrolled in PCIP."​

The PCIP plan allowed those with pre-existing conditions who could afford the premiums (varying from some $200 to $600+ a month depending on age and state), and who had been without insurance for six months, to obtain health insurance when private insurers either refused coverage or charged incredibly high premiums.
The PCIP has been a godsend to some - a number of lives have undoubtedly been saved due to the program, some on this site even - while for others it was an unattainable form of relief; either people could not afford the premiums or they were locked into an existing, high-cost insurance policy which they didn't dare go off of for six months in order to qualify.
Either way, no longer will anyone have this program as an option.
One of the most frustrating things about the administration's decision to close enrollment is that they have not even tried to obtain more funding.

Asked why the administration has not requested additional money from Congress to keep the program open - admittedly a tough sell in the current political and budgetary environment - Cohen ((director of the Department of Health and Human Services' Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight)) said, "My responsibility is to work with the appropriation we have."​

Sure, it probably couldn't have passed through a Tea Party House, but they could have at least tried. I don't know exactly how much additional funding would have been needed, but since $5 billion was allocated initially for a 3.5 year program another $1 billion - hardly real money -

A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money?​

would probably have kept the program able to enroll people who needed it until December, 2013, just nine months away now. In truth, it seems like it should be much less than that. According to the Washington Post

Of the original $5 billion, about $2.36 billion remains available for the last three quarters of 2013 - enough only to continue coverage for those already in the pools, according to administration estimates.​

If you believe in math that means it is going to cost about $24,000 per existing enrollee to keep the system running through December. At that rate, $1 billion additional would be able to deal with almost 42,000 more enrollees, far more than would be expected to be added given the historical rate of enrollment. $500 million would probably be more than enough to keep the program able to accept all the new enrollees expected. The government probably has far more that that lying around that it doesn't even know about.
If Tea Party Republicans want to vote down an additional relatively small amount of money to help ten or twenty thousand people up through the end of this year they should be made to do so. Instead of giving up with barely a whisper the administration should have been fighting hard to keep it going. The program is up, it's running, and it works. That should have been enough to keep it available for all who qualify until its intended end.

 

...just to get everyone up to speed......
Obamacare discourages extra effort, some pre-existing conditions will be covered, some won't & the new people BO is hiring to administer Obamacare will see their schedules manipulated so that they will not be covered under the employer mandate provision...they will have to pay for their insurance with their part-time wages. Good deal, huh?

 

If you weren't so completely stupid, I might actually have to get upset about your inability to comprehend the written word. But you are completely stupid so I simply roll my eyes and have a good laugh at you.

The PCIP program was just a stop gap measure to help those that were in desperate need until the law kicks in fully. You still cannot be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition once the law is fully implemented but that didn't help those people that are currently denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition. The PCIP program was so successful and there was so much demand that it ran out of funding before the new law starts in January 2014. A relatively small amount of money could be added easily but the chances of getting the Tea Party House to allocate those funds is all but impossible. This is a case of a compassionate stop gap measure meeting a heartless bunch of Republican bastards.
So how do they spin this problem? They lie and say that the new health care law will not cover pre-existing conditions necessarily. Little Davy boy, too dumb to know what he is talking about spews the same nonsense and actually says, "just to get everyone up to speed". Well let me get YOU up to speed little Davy, are you on speed or something?

 

...unions are bailing, dems are bailing, popular support is dropping everyday, a huge portion is being delayed because it's not manageable, Nancy Pelosi is exempting her constituents, no one in DC wants to be forced into the program, jobs are being cut, hours are being cut...and we haven't even been subjected to the full roll-out yet. Oh, but the taxes have kicked in as warned!

 

... and don't forget this:

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ngry-after-being-offered-jobs-without-health/

 

Way to try and cover your stupidity. Didn't work, but you tried.

 

You aren't even trying to cover your stpidity!

 

What good would it do for him to even try?
Notice he couldn't refute anything so he pulled out the tired old typical fog-of-war insult book.

 

Don't forget: This is a law passed by compromises within the language and provisions within the bill...compromises that were later fought over and over about, reducing the law's effectiveness. Even now, the effort is to keep the program from being funded, and that's hardly a way to promote effectiveness.