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Why, thank-you!

It's really not hard to pay a compliment once in a while if you really try.

 

Well...you're right. I guess I was being abrasive, but less than my antagonists...(not that that's an acceptable excuse). We're all human and should strive to behave better.

I admire the OP for the post and have tried to be 100% supportive. Obtuse means "vague, unfocused". It seemed like you were trying to lead me into a trap by condemning a Democrat without talking about all the Republican transgressions.

Both parties have people that the voters need to weed out of the herd. It's really not an US v.s Them issue. As far as the posts of others, do your best to rise above it and focus on the issues...you really have some good ideas!

 

Here?

Yeah actually, I've given many compliments here, and not just to Democrats. Want to know what that gets HERE?

Not much.

I can get one of the three mental midgets to calm down and be somewhat sensible, but the minute I do, one of the other two comes in and starts an ignorant argument, and so much for diplomacy.

Individually they're not so vile....relatively speaking... but together, they're nothing more than trolls.

Now if you are fshing for a compliment, I'd say you sound intelligent, and appear to know a bit about trade issues.

My views on trade are not that good. IMO, we could be manufacturing products here, to be sold here...and manufacture products there, to be sold there. That would mean people like me would have a tough time buying things at first, but production would increase, and that would offset the worst of the inflation issues arising from withdrawing from the cheaper products World trade affords us.

The problem is, there's too much money tied into World-trade, so it's not even possible anymore, unless stringent penalties are tied to corporations based in the US that produce overseas and send the stuff here. Same with foreign companies, when they ship stuff here.

Yeah, some of that stuff we need, but most of it is just useless crap that feeds American egos and corporate pocketbooks, all while draining jobs and slowing our economy. It's FUBAR, IMO.

 

Like I said, mistaken identity. One of the games people occasionally play here is alternate egos. I had a small list of possible contenders, and certain phrases tend to trigger certain reactions in them. You passed those "sniff" tests though, for the most part.

Now own-up. You're not truly new here, as it suggests in your new profile, I recognize you from years back, on PRWE, I believe, though I doubt we've actually ever conversed there..

 

One of the claims made here is that neither party can call one of their own something bad, as in criminal. IMO, it's happens, but far more so by republicans, due to the words of Reagan, who said republicans should never say anything bad about republicans, or some such.

IMO, that only leads to accepting crimes, by omission of declaring fault within your party, and ultimately it leads to ignorance of fact, as in the deliberate refusal to accept facts when they are perceived to potentially cause harm to your party.

What I did was confront that accusation purposefully. What I got was an insane back-peddling away from the story itself, which is not a good sign.

 

I don't know what PRWE means. I have over 5000 posts on CoinTalk. Everyone knows me (and my politics) from there. Peter infracted me and told me to come over here if I couldn't control myself.

 

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LOL...Like I said: This site is a quarantine for the "politically-minded" (aka: trolls).

Your name is one I have known for some time, perhaps I'm mistaking the forum, as I was posting on CT long ago myself.

I never was political there, but I visited this site and saw one guy being abused by the three little-ones (+ a few others) and didn't think he deserved the treatment, as his arguments were similar to my own, and the nastiness coming from his attackers was ridiculous.

I jumped in to side with him, and now I stink of politics lol

 

Seriously...you may want to look into the Tea Party through your own lens. Both parties will say anything they think will stick to marginalize the movement.

Tea Party folks care deeply for the less fortunate, but only the less fortunate; public service should never be a road to great wealth. Most Tea Party members live very modestly. They demand a limited Federal government that performs with ethical excellence.

 

Like I said before, the tea-party is not unlike libertarians. Both have excellent points to make, but take extreme positions that are somewhat dyslexic and are not palpable to my sense of order. The reason being that their systems would work fine if everyone was like them, but people are more diverse than that and they don't account for those differences. They tend to enhance freedoms, yes, but they ignore, or don't understand the chaos those freedoms would cause, should they be enacted on a large scale.

Simply put: Both want major changes that can't be done without major system failures. Those failures would cost a lot of lives, and would take generations to stabilize.

I understand systems easier than most, and while I'm not entirely happy with our current system (Who is? Corporations?) I'm certain that the changes the tea party and libertarians want to make are not worth the effort, even if I agreed with them, which I do and don't. Both have excellent idea, both have horrible ideas. The mixture of both good and bad ideas among the two parties are not what I'd call ideal. I'd call it dangerously naive.

 

OK, have it your way, Get into power and enforce all the desired changes you want. You may want to stock-up on body-bags though, because a lot of people are going to die on you, from your poor management and lack of foresight, and the bullets and fires people will come to rely on as they make the change to your most excellent system.

Don't believe me? No problem, I'll grab my lighters and we can begin whenever you're ready.

Now, multiply that by a third of all the people who are not currently a member of your party, and maybe you'll get an idea of what I mean by chaos.

People have free-will. Abuse that at your own risk, not the country's.

 

That very thing of "getting into power and enforcing all the desired changes you want" actually happened under Reid, Pelosi and Obama. The Republicans didn't rise up in arms with their bullets and body bags as you seem to think they should have. Republicans are much more even-tempered than your average, Occupy-type, lame-brained socialist.

On a side note: Whatever happened to all those stupid, socialist/communist, puppets-of-George-Soros-and-the-democrat-party, pinheaded, violent Occupy-whatevers? I haven't seem them on the news crapping on police cars, raping women, killing each other, breaking windows or starting fires in a while. It tends to make me think they're planning even more violent outbursts. Maybe they're getting some pointers from Bill Ayers.

 

I'd be interested in hearing what you consider "excellent ideas" and "horrible ideas" coming from both the Tea Party and the Libertarians.

 

I believe we both are trying to achieve the same results...economic equality for the working class and compassion for the most vulnerable. The Tea Party believes this can be done best by reigning in wasteful, inefficient Federal spending and stop taxing individual productivity.

(I would be interested to know where the bullets, fires, and body-bags come in. Why do you need "lighters"?)

If you could double tax receipts while eliminating federal income tax, you would support that, right? Imagine if we could spend the 43¢ per dollar here, in this country, instead of sending it to China to service our debt? We're heading off a cliff, but it sounds like you want to continue supporting the policies that got us in this spot in the first place.

Note: This is the point where all the anti-Republican talking points kick in...

I'm not supporting many of the Republican policies, either...both parties can do MUCH better. Just because one party is screwed up doesn't mean the other one can be, too. I blame the Democratic party for the economic mess we're in and the Republican party for wasting tons of money in the wars. Let's get past it and fix the structural problems that continue to let both parties abuse the Tax Payer.

Do you know what the "Tea" in Tea Party stands for? It stands for Taxed Enough Already!




Let's look at taxation for a slightly different perspective...

Would you agree that, if we reduced income tax to 0%, we would take in NO tax receipts? (yes)
Would you also agree that, if we raised income tax to 100%, we would take in nearly NO tax receipts? (yes)

So, if you plot tax receipts as a function of income tax rate, there's some tax rate (between 0% and 100%) that brings in the optimum amount of tax receipts...right?

Let's determine what that amount is (10%, 90%, whatever), set the tax rate to that amount, then stop arguing about it.

Next, let's make a list all our spending line items and have each party put them in priority order. Take both prioritized lists, add their rankings together and re-sort (highest priority to lowest).

Now let's see what our tax receipts are (after servicing the debt) to determine how much we have to spend. Start working down the prioritized list of line items. When the money runs out, that's where we stop spending.

This algorithm brings in the most tax receipts and funds the most important "investments". Any spending outside of this framework is simply irresponsible.

 

I don't know about trying to achieve anything here. This is a site visited by few and used by the few who can't behave in other forums. As such, it's a place to vent, or in the three little-one's case: rant, but it's not productive in any way, except to help you focus your points.

Would we like to have our way be the law? Yeah, but realistically it's not going to happen. There is already a system in place, and the powers that control them aren't going to allow for any serious changes to that power. That includes Democrats, who are for bigger government, and republicans, who are for less government. Both want to remain in power and aren't going to take advice from either of us lol

That's where me knowing the nature of people and systems comes into play.

The systems we live in are more or less a set-thing, and when you upset the systems, you upset a lot of people. For a certain percentage of them, they'd adapt without fuss. Another certain percentage would riot. And everything in between.

What your tea-party is demanding is to reform the tax-code, but you ignore the repercussions to existing programs/systems. Those programs will take major hits as they attempt to convert to your system. Some would survive with ease, some would fail, some would be eliminated by the new policy, and together, with all the chaos of uncertainty surrounding the fate of these programs, that'd trigger riots.

It's not as easy as you think it'd be. There are many programs that would be eliminated under the tea-party, since the programs cost a lot of $$$ and you people wouldn't want them anymore. Maybe you could address the issues and have policy in place before making a change, but that's extremely unlikely, given that this all comes down to your personal belief that you're being taxed too much, and taxes pay for those programs. Where'd the alternate funding come from? How long would it take to implement the new program? Months? Years?

Yeah, you'll have a lot of dead people in the streets along-side the remains of burned-out cars and buildings.

What's a tax receipt? Government revenue?

(Looks around) OK...

Yeah, I get the idea you believe you shouldn't be taxed at the rate you're being taxed. I disagree.

Yeah, I'm aware of the slogan. I've monitored it's creation and it's evolution into it's current form with only a mild interest, and that only because of it being a new political group separating from the republicans a bit, but not entirely. Like it or not, you guys are still republicans, you just splintered into a separate sub-group of the party.

Not everyone makes enough money to support the flat-rate in taxes. Right now those people get refunds, where in your system they wouldn't. You're saying it'll pay off in some way in the future, but in the meantime you'd be hurting the poorest among us. Add the fact that you don't want to pay too high a tax-rate, and inevitably programs supporting the poor would be eliminated altogether.

I'm not saying the current system is much better than that, as the Democrats attempt to pay for programs and the republicans attempt to prohibit the funds, and restrict people from being able to apply for them, resulting in a pittance of actual assistance being available and provided.

What I'm saying is I don't trust an extremist party that wants to revamp the tax-code because they feel "their" money is being wasted on inefficient programs, because you'd wind-up eliminating those programs all-together to save an extra buck in your account.

Nah, I pick the Democrats, as they are the only party willing to help the poor now, using the system we have.

Are you sure you don't want this Uncivil War? To be honest, I was really hoping you'd want it, so we can settle this idiotic argument and maybe have peace for a few decades afterwards.

I'll even negotiate: You can have the Southern States. Just cut the country in two, raise your chain-link fences around your border and stay in your pen country and we'll stay in ours. Problem solved.

 

What OUR Tea Party is STRIVING towards is to REPLACE the tax code. I wouldn't support it if I didn't honestly believe that it will...

1. Level the playing field with our trading partners (returning jobs to America)
2. Double overall tax receipts by expanding the tax base with no additional taxes to current tax payers.
3. Gently eased into the economy over a 5-7 year period.

Remember, under President Clinton and a Republican Congress, we reformed the Welfare system to great effect without the riots you predict.

 

I have an engagement...I'll post more later.

 

I'm not saying changes can't be made, as they happen every week. What I'm saying is the tea-party is dreaming if it thinks this plan of theirs can work.

The core issue within the group is lowering taxes. You say a rate can be determined that will make everyone happy. It won't. A lot of the core members of the party will want a much lower rate, it's just in their nature. As a result, in this hypothetical exercise where the tea-party decides the rules, the poorest among us will not receive the funds you think they will. They will not get enough food, shelter, and medical services because the tea-party is about down-sizing the government and lowering the tax-rate for all, and that just does not bode well for the poor.

But, you guys should just break-off from the republican party altogether and form a strong third-party and nominate your candidates for office.

Why? Because right now all you do is fold back into the republican party come election-time, and I like the Democrats chances if you guys split off completely, as some of you want to do.

But no, come election-time, most of you'll be voting republican, because that's who you are, a faction of the party.

 

What I hear clueless saying, in essence, is that we can't even attempt to improve our system because the dependent class (a class created by liberals to assure the party of a solid voting bloc) can only survive on gov't (read: taxpayer) charity. Bull!
Think of the money that would be freed up to help the truly needy if we worked to eliminate the abusers from the system and took away the long-term benefits that de-motivate employment? Then imagine the shot in the arm we will realize once BO's new economy (based on part-time, low wage job creation) is replaced!