The Do Nothing Republican Congress

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  1. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The idea-vacant Republican caucus in both the Senate and the U.S. House has opted again and again to do nothing about just about any issue this country is facing save one. They filibuster every bill in the Senate and offer nothing as an alternative and in the U.S. House, they refuse to bring anything to a vote. The idea that doing nothing is preferable to doing anything is popular among the Republican base. Since government is widely seen as the enemy by their rank and file, the conventional wisdom is that any legislation not passed is a win for their side. They actually believe that for any problem that exists doing nothing is better than working with the opposition and trying to come to up with a compromise. There are serious issues facing this country and they must be addressed if they are ever to be solved. Not coming up with any solutions on their own and refusing to do anything at all was what the Republicans did during FRD's presidency and they lost both the House and the Senate until the 1960's as a result. Maybe it is time to give them another couple of decades off to think about what they've done? By the way, the one issue they seem to have endless time to devote their attention to is abortion. An issue that was settled by the Supreme Court 40 years ago.
     
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  2. Guy Medley

    Guy Medley Well-Known Member

    I guess you can look at it like this....if you had a short amount of time left to live, would you worry about the credit card bills and the mortgage? They're done and they know it so they just don't care any more.
     
  3. CoinOKC
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    Democrats have nothing to crow about. In fact, they have a lot to WORRY about. Their approval rating is lower than Republicans. Take a look for yourself:

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    http://www.gallup.com/poll/161210/congress-approval-stagnant-low-level.aspx
     
  4. Guy Medley

    Guy Medley Well-Known Member

    Well, it sure isn't showing in the voting booths, is it?
     
  5. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    I don't believe the graph he posted is even the type of approval rating he's suggesting it is. It looks like an approval rating of congress among various parties (reps, Dems, Indies), not an approval rating of the parties themselves.
     
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    I have asked this previously, but cannot get anyone to answer. Just how many bills has the House passed and how many has the Senate passed? You might find the answer rather pecular after listening to the lame street media.
     
  7. CoinOKC
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    What makes you say that? The last national congressional election was in 2010 and the Republicans had sweeping victories. Another indicator of the popularity of a party is the incumbent president. Obama had a fewer percentage of votes over his opponent in 2012 than he had in 2008. A president's popularity influences voters in mid-term elections. Obama's popularity is lower now than its ever been. That doesn't bode well for Democrats in 2014.

    As you can see, Obama only has average approval numbers. In fact, his approval rating now is only one percentage point better than the much-vilified George W. Bush. A better indicator is that most people (74%) are dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed:

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  9. Guy Medley

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    The barometer for which a parties health is monitored is the House, not Congress or the President. Republicans have been losing seats even in traditionally Republican strongholds for the past ten years or more.
     
  10. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    Repubs are the majority in the House at the moment but they weren't when BO was first elected.
     
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    Would you care to put some numbers in the to back you allegation?
     
  12. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The Republican Autopsy Report
    By THOMAS B. EDSALL
    Thomas B. Edsall

    On Monday a Republican task force released a remarkably hard-headed diagnosis of the party’s many liabilities: its ideological rigidity, its preference for the rich over workers, its alienation of minorities, its reactionary social policies and its institutionalized repression of dissent and innovation.

    The 97-page Growth and Opportunity Project report was commissioned in the wake of the 2012 election debacle by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee. The G.O.P. report is an extraordinary public acknowledgment of internal discord and vulnerability, which has intensified the battle between the deeply committed conservative wing and the more pragmatic, pro-business wing for control of the Republican Party. With just a few exceptions, it does not mince words.

    At the federal level, it says, the party is “marginalizing itself,” and, in the absence of major change, “it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win a presidential election in the near future.” Young voters are “rolling their eyes at what the party represents.” Voters’ belief that “the G.O.P. does not care about them is doing great harm.” Formerly loyal voters gathered in focus groups describe Republicans as “ ‘scary,’ ‘narrow-minded’ and ‘out of touch’ and that we were a party of ‘stuffy old men.’

    In a rare intervention in policy making for a political committee, the R.N.C. report calls for abandonment of the party’s anti-immigration stance, flatly declaring that “we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform.” In an equally radical challenge to Republican orthodoxy, the Priebus report states:

    We have to blow the whistle at corporate malfeasance and attack corporate welfare. We should speak out when a company liquidates itself and its executives receive bonuses but rank-and-file workers are left unemployed. We should speak out when C.E.O.s receive tens of millions of dollars in retirement packages but middle-class workers have not had a meaningful raise in years.

    The report also warns that Republicans need to mute, if not silence, anti-gay rhetoric if they are to have any chance of regaining support among voters under the age of 30.

    For the G.O.P. to appeal to younger voters, we do not have to agree on every issue, but we do need to make sure young people do not see the Party as totally intolerant of alternative points of view. Already, there is a generational difference within the conservative movement about issues involving the treatment and the rights of gays — and for many younger voters, these issues are a gateway into whether the Party is a place they want to be. If our Party is not welcoming and inclusive, young people and increasingly other voters will continue to tune us out. The Party should be proud of its conservative principles, but just because someone disagrees with us on 20 percent of the issues, that does not mean we cannot come together on the rest of the issues where we do agree.

    This suggests that the issue of same-sex marriage is on course to become a source of significant division within the Republican Party, as social conservatives view the commitment to marriage as a sacrament between a man and woman. Ralph Reed, founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition and former executive director of the Christian Coalition, contended in a phone interview that the Republican Party risked alienating a large block of loyal voters if it moved to the left on same-sex marriage. Reed argues that opposing same-sex marriage is not a liability and that voters are evenly split on the issue, according to exit polls. In fact, in the 2012 exit polls, and in Washington Post polling, a plurality of voters, 49-46, responded affirmatively to the question “Should same-sex marriages be legal in your state?” The issue has shown steady growth in public support.

    Priebus and the five authors of the report – Henry Barbour (nephew of former R.N.C. chairman Haley Barbour) of Mississippi, Zori Fonalledas of Puerto Rico, and Glenn McCall of South Carolina, all members of the R.N.C., along with Sally Bradshaw, an adviser to Jeb Bush, and Ari Fleischer, former press secretary to George W. Bush – were far more blunt in their analysis than many expected.

    There is at least one crucial problem that the authors, all members of the establishment wing of the party, address only peripherally and with kid gloves: the extreme conservatism of the party’s primary and caucus voters — the people who actually pick nominees. For over three decades, these voters have episodically shown an inclination to go off the deep end and nominate general election losers in House and Senate races — or, in the case of very conservative states and districts, general election winners who push the party in the House and Senate to become an instrument of obstruction.

    The highly visible presence of the candidates these voters prefer – recall the party’s Senate nominees in Missouri and Indiana, Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, and their bizarre views on rape and abortion — suggests that the Republican Party has a severe, if not toxic, problem: a septic electorate that, in the words of the Mayo Clinic, “can trigger a cascade of changes that can damage multiple organ systems, causing them to fail.”

    If that is the case, then the task of the Priebus commission should not have been to diagnose the party’s problems, but to conduct an autopsy.

    Leaving that question aside for a moment, let’s turn to a part of the report that is tough in its implications, but less forcefully put than other sections of the document: the difficulties created by “super PACs” and other independent expenditure “third party” groups that have become a major presence in House and Senate elections. Without naming any super PACs, the five authors take a hard line against the role of these independent expenditure groups active in Republican primaries: “No one has a monopoly on knowing who is the best candidate; the electorate ultimately makes the decision.”

    Cont'ed...
     
  13. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The authors agree with the substance of Karl Rove’s goal in the new Conservative Victory Project — that goal being to weed out marginal candidates in primaries who appeal to the base but alienate swing voters. The authors disagree, however, with the way in which the C.V.P. is going about this task, running negative ads against those likely to carry the party banner down to defeat in November. The Growth and Opportunity report is critical of all independent expenditure groups, including the anti-tax Club for Growth, that try to play kingmaker in the candidate selection process:

    Outside groups now play an expanded role affecting federal races and, in some ways, overshadow state parties in primary and general elections. As a result, this environment has caused a splintered Congress with little party cohesion so that gridlock and polarization grow as the political parties lose their ability to rally their elected officeholders around a set of coherent governing policies.

    Campaign finance laws and court rulings restrict mega-contributions to the parties while permitting $1 million-plus donations to independent groups, including the two other Rove political committees, American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS, which, the report argues, corrupt the political environment:

    The current campaign finance environment has led to a handful of friends and allied groups dominating our side’s efforts. This is not healthy. A lot of centralized authority in the hands of a few people at these outside organizations is dangerous for our Party.

    In fairness to Rove – a phrase that does not come easily – his agenda does address the issue of a problematic Republican electorate: he aims to prevent ideologically driven voters from committing political suicide, dooming the party’s chances of winning a Senate majority.

    I called Jonathan Collegio, spokesman for the three Rove groups (American Crossroads, Crossroads GPS and the Conservative Victory Project) to see how Rove and his allies picture this dynamic playing out. Collegio explained their thinking:

    We looked at the last two election cycles and came to the conclusion that we lost from four to seven U.S. Senate seats not because of the party message, in those cases, but because of the party’s messenger.

    A Tea Party supporter, William Temple, at the 40th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland.Jim Lo Scalzo/European Pressphoto Agency A Tea Party supporter, William Temple, at the 40th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland.

    While claiming that Rove’s new group does not have an anti-Tea Party agenda, Collegio said that in the four to seven Senate races that Republicans lost in 2010 and 2012, primaries produced “candidates who were suboptimal, not necessarily Tea Party candidates, but undisciplined, lacking fund-raising ability and substandard generally.”

    Along the same lines as the Priebus report, Collegio cited the 2002 McCain-Feingold law, which prohibits political parties from accepting large “soft money” donations, arguing that it undermines the role of the R.N.C. and other official groups in mediating the political process. The vacuum created by McCain-Feingold served to empower renegade third party groups, one of the many unintended consequences of campaign finance reform. “The campaign finance reforms of the last decade,” Collegio told me

    dramatically weakened political parties and artificially constrained the parties’ ability to raise large contributions. That structural change has the effect of empowering outside groups. We are in an era where power is not centralized in the parties because of campaign reforms of 10 years ago. The weakening of the parties, in turn, makes it harder for party leaders to cut deals on big pieces of legislation because they don’t control the electoral pocketbook the way they used to.

    A rump group of conservatives disputes the Rove-Collegio analysis of Republican Senate losses, contending that centrist candidates backed by Rove’s American Crossroads fared far worse than those backed by the hard right. Nineteen conservatives, including David Bossie, president of Citizens United; Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council; and Richard Viguerie, chairman of Conservative HQ, wrote in a letter to American Crossroads donors (who are publicly listed in campaign finance reports to the Federal Election Commission):

    In 2012, the only Senate Republican winners were Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Deb Fischer (Neb.), and Ted Cruz (Tex.) — all of whom enjoyed significant Tea Party and conservative support. Meanwhile, more moderate candidates like Tommy Thompson (Wisc.), Heather Wilson (N. Mex.), Rick Berg (N. Dak.), and Denny Rehberg (Mont.) went down to defeat despite significant support from Crossroads. It was firmly expected that Republicans would capture the Senate in 2012. It is inexcusable that they failed and, in fact, lost two seats. The facts speak for themselves. It was not conservatives. Not one moderate Republican challenger won. According to the Sunlight Foundation, not one Senate challenger supported by Crossroads won. There was another, equally important reason Republicans fared so poorly: Groups like Crossroads squandered hundreds of millions of dollars in what were arguably the most inept campaign advertising efforts ever.
     
  14. JoeNation
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    A Republican operative who is a close associate of Rove was more ironic in his criticism of the C.V.P.: “If I was in a Republican primary and Karl Rove came out against me, it would be the single best thing that could happen to my campaign.”

    Further fueling suspicions on the right of an anti-conservative vendetta led by Rove and the R.N.C., Rove and party leaders are working together to develop a high-tech digital platform designed to facilitate voter and donor contact and to replicate the major advances in digital campaigning achieved by the Obama campaign.

    More broadly, the alliance between Rove and the R.N.C. does substantiate the view that establishment forces are driving the reform movement within the Republican Party, an establishment that includes much of corporate America, including the Chamber of Commerce, the Bush family and its allies, and the more moderate, traditionalist donor community.

    Conservative analysts like Timothy P. Carney of the Washington Examiner and Ramesh Ponnuru of the National Review quickly spotted the establishment tilt in the Priebus report. Carney wrote:

    Republican elites tend to favor mass immigration and be ambivalent or supportive of legal abortion and gay marriage. So, shouldn’t we take it with a grain of salt when the Republican leadership puts out a document saying that the G.O.P. should change only its rhetoric on economic issues, but change its substance on social issues?

    Similarly, Ponnuru wrote that the recommendations “come naturally to Republican elites” who “are more likely to favor same-sex marriage and comprehensive immigration reform on principle.” The report reflects “elite conventional wisdom perfectly, just perfectly.”

    In January, I pointed out that “If the conservative movement continues on its downward trajectory, the American business community, which has the most to lose from Republican failure, will be the key force arguing for moderation.”

    That moment has come. The Priebus report and Rove’s Conservative Victory Project together mark a significant escalation in the battle between the center and the right over the soul of the Republican Party. What has yet to be determined is whether they are fighting over a patient who can be quickly resuscitated or a patient with a chronic but not fatal illness — or a corpse.

    The very bluntness of the Growth and Opportunity report reflects the seriousness of the moment the Republican Party faces: increasing difficulty holding on to its House majority; weakening prospects of regaining control of the Senate; and the threat of unending Democratic control of the White House.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/the-republican-autopsy-report/

    My question is, "How is that autopsy going?" On immigration, gay marriage, women's rights issues, and workers rights, they just seem to be continuing their march towards the fringe unabated.
     
  15. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    ...yet the only way a dem can win an election these days is to distance themselves from BO & his failed presidency...
     
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    And again, just how many bills has the House passed and how many has the Senate passed?
     
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    The GOP's own report spells out their problems. It's not like this is an outside group telling them the things they have to change now is it? My belief is that they just are stuck between a rock (their social issues extreme wing nut faction) and a hard place (their big business masters) and can't change. Although this report details the GOP's problems without mincing words, they continue to push extreme abortion legislation on both the state and federal level pissing off women, they continue to be anti-immigration pissing off minorities, and they still can't accept the idea of gay rights pissing off the LGBT community as well as the youth vote all things that will drive nails into the coffin of the GOP over the next few elections. I guess it is just difficult to be the party that is seen as, "‘scary,’ ‘narrow-minded’ and ‘out of touch’ and a party of ‘stuffy old (white) men.’” Hey! You guys fit exactly into that demographic.
     
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    What is wrong, Teddy? Facts getting in you way again? I am sure you will find some way around them.
     
  19. David

    David Proud Enemy of Hillary

    He has to send out for help! Someone will send him a link that may or may not be on topic.
     
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    rlm's cents Well-Known Member

    Even though the Democrats control 2/3 of the legislating making process, you still blame the Republicans for doing nothing? OOPS! For doing too much? Make up your mind!
    And again, and again, just how many bills has the House passed and how many has the Senate passed?
     
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