Obama's NSA Is Collecting Verizon Phone Records

As others on this forum have said, Obama is simply continuing Bush's policies. So, now that Obama has been revealed as a carbon copy of Bush, what's your opinion of him? Be honest.

 

Not quite correct. The Bush-era warrants were much more specific & typically at least one of the tapped parties was outside the US...under BO you're a suspect simply by being a Verizon customer! I guess the Boston Marathon bombers must have used a different cellular carrier?

 

Except that you're lying...


The NSA warrantless surveillance controversy (AKA "Warrantless Wiretapping") concerns surveillance of persons within the United States during the collection of foreign intelligence by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) as part of the war on terror. Under this program, referred to by the Bush administration as the "terrorist surveillance program", part of the broader President's Surveillance Program, the NSA was authorized by executive order to monitor, without search warrants, the phone calls, Internet activity (Web, e-mail, etc.), text messaging, and other communication involving any party believed by the NSA to be outside the U.S., even if the other end of the communication lies within the U.S. Critics, however, claimed that it was in an effort to attempt to silence critics of the Bush Administration and their handling of several hot button issues during its tenure. Under public pressure, the Bush administration ceased the warrantless wiretapping program in January 2007 and returned review of surveillance to the FISA court. Subsequently, in 2008 Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which relaxed some of the original FISA court requirements.

 

Hey, thanks for supporting my post!!

 

My opinion hasn't changed, it's merely been validated. Once again.

I voted for him in 2008 after overcoming some serious misgivings. People I trusted warned me, but man can he give a hell of a speech. Plus, Grampy and Caribou Barbie? Please. Almost immediately upon his taking office I realized that I'd f*cked up.

I'll give him credit for doing some good things, as I give Bush credit for doing some good things. But not enough good things to counter the damage, which I see as far outweighing the positives. I've been criticizing him ever since. And I did not make the same mistake in 2012 that I did the first time around.

 

Thank you for being honest. You're one of the few liberals on this forum that I can trust to give an honest answer. Though we don't agree on some things, I appreciate the sincere response.

 

Pandora is laughing it's (_l_) off at all this...

I should channel tom corona (miss ya buddie!) or katsung and say something like: "It won't take long for the government to set off a nuke and disrupt all communications anyway"...of course, katsung would add that it all would be an attempt to "silence" him...(shhh, you didn't here it from me but...the man is 'Superman' A nuke wouldn't do much except make him post like crazy...I mean even more than usual)

 

Just for the record, I was not and am not a Hillary fan either. At the time some of my friends were, mainly because they saw her as being better on gay issues as well as just tougher generally. I think that they were right on those two points. But she was also the personification of the corporatism of the Democratic faction so she was never an option for me.

 

I miss Bart Stupak. He quit being a representative (MI) a few years back...just a year after I realized his seniority would allow him to do some real good things in the next few years. I miss him because he is a good, honest person...something I don't see enough of in government politics...on both sides.

I'm wary of almost all the people in top cabinet positions too, again...from both parties (when in power)...as they have too many ties to big business. Reagan, being told to "Move it along", by one of his advisers for instance (I forget who, maybe a cabinet member?),...I mean, who tells the President to "hurry up, you long-winded puppet-boy"?

 

I think Neil is upset!

 

Allegations of NSA bugging stir tension with European allies​

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June 30, 2013​

Emerging allegations that America's National Security Agency bugged and hacked European Union offices stoked tension Sunday between U.S. and European officials, with German prosecutors announcing they are probing the claims. ​

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The allegations were carried in a report by the German magazine Der Spiegel. They are the latest claims to surface regarding NSA surveillance activity, as on-the-lam leaker Edward Snowden feeds a series of sensitive documents to the media. Der Spiegel did not specifically say how it obtained the information. ​

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European Parliament President Martin Schulz, in response, demanded a clarification from the NSA about the alleged program. ​

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"I am deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of U.S. authorities spying on EU offices," Schulz said in a statement, according to The Wall Street Journal. "If the allegations prove to be true, it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-U.S. relations." ​

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German federal prosecutors also said they are looking into the reports. The Federal Prosecutors' Office said in a statement Sunday that it was probing the claims so as to "achieve a reliable factual basis" before considering whether a formal investigation was warranted. ​

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It also said private citizens were likely to file criminal complaints on the matter. ​

A representative with the NSA referred questions on the matter to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which has not yet commented on the report. ​

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But Michael Hayden, the former director of both the NSA and CIA, said Sunday that European officials should look in the mirror before criticizing the U.S. ​

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"Any European who wants to go out and rend their garments with regard to international espionage should look first and find out what their own governments are doing," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation." ​

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Hayden noted he's been out of the agency for years and said he didn't know the accuracy of the Der Spiegel report, nor could he confirm or deny it if he did. ​

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But he said "the United States does conduct espionage," and that the Fourth Amendment right to privacy "is not an international treaty." ​

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Der Spiegel reported that the NSA appears to have installed bugs in an EU building in Washington, D.C., as well as infiltrated their computer network. According to the report, this let U.S. officials monitor discussions and emails. ​

U.S. officials have warned that the string of NSA leaks are damaging to national security. ​

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Snowden is believed to still be at the Moscow airport. Russian officials so far have refused to expel him to the U.S., claiming he is in a transit zone and not technically in their hands. ​

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Meanwhile, Vice President Biden on Friday called Ecuador's president to urge the country to reject a request by Snowden for asylum in that country. ​

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/30/european-officials-shocked-over-report-on-nsa-spying/#ixzz2XiwH93Ks​

 

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The bottom line is this....I think Bush gathered info for security purposes, BO is gathering info for political reasons.

 

Well, Clapper lied to Congress and, in essence, lied to the American people. He didn't volunteer the fact that he lied, but only did so when caught with his pants down. Time for him to go?

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Yeah, but it's okay to lie to the country if you're protecting the President & his war on his political opponents, right? Isn't that what this admin has established?