Obama Wins!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I told you so!
     
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  2. CoinOKC
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    I thought he might
     
  3. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    That explains your prediction.
     
  4. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Romney and Ryan couldn't carry the states they were from. That has to hurt.
     
  5. Belisarius

    Belisarius New Member

    Just like to offer my congratulations from across the pond. On balance I think Americans made the right decision but the question remains, how much can President Obama achieve with a Republican dominated Congress?
     
  6. Stujoe

    Stujoe Well-Known Member

    I am actually quite surprised that America voted for 4 more years of exactly what we have had the last 4 years. President, House, Senate. Same control. We get the government we deserve.
     
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  7. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    6 billion dollars and exactly the same Washington today that we had yesterday. Perhaps we are being all we can be and are just bumping up against the inherent limitations of our political system.
     
  8. CoinOKC
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    It remains to be seen whether or not Obama will begin working with the Republicans to actually get good legislation passed. If he doesn't move toward the center, we will have a repeat of the last four dismal years.
     
  9. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Yeah, it's not like the Right hasn't headed so far to the Right that they can't see the center anymore. Their opinion seems to be that if you give us everything we want, we'll compromise with you. They seem to be willing to work with Grover Norquist but not the Democrats. If you seriously think that McConnell saying that his number one goal was to defeat Obama is showing a willingness to work across the aisle, you need to have English explained to you.
     
  10. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    One of the major take always from this election should the alternate reality often supported and indulged by the Right-wingers. They bought into the false polling leading up to the election because they couldn't bear reality and simply preferred to hear what wanted to hear. They are a party that has a shrinking base of rural white people and lost the black vote by 93%, the Latino vote by 71%, unmarried women by 67%, and even lost white voters. They are running against demographics that they cannot overcome with their traditional base. Let the GOP civil war begin.
     
  11. CoinOKC
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    I think it's important to take a look at the role the media played in Obama's re-election and how it factored into the perception the voters had of the candidates. While not the only factor in an election, a disingenuous media is sometimes the only "news" many voters receive. Therefore, voters can certainly be swayed by the public perception of a candidate which has little or no basis in reality or the candidate's actual policy or philosophy. Case in point:

    Five ways the mainstream media tipped the scales in favor of Obama

    1. The Media’s Biased Gaffe Patrol Hammered Romney: The media unfairly jumped on inconsequential mistakes — or even invented controversies — from Romney and hyped them in to multi-day media “earthquakes.” Case in point: the GOP candidate’s trip to Europe and Israel in late July. A Media Research Center analysis[​IMG] of all 21 ABC, CBS and NBC evening news stories about Romney’s trip found that virtually all of them (18, or 86%) emphasized “diplomatic blunders,” “gaffes” or “missteps.”
    Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer blasted the news coverage[​IMG] in an August 2 column, calling the trip “a major substantive success” that was wrapped “in a media narrative of surpassing triviality.”

    Similarly, when the left-wing Mother Jones magazine in September put out a secretly-recorded video of Romney talking to donors about the 47% of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, the networks hyped it like a sensational sex scandal. Over three days, the broadcast network morning and evening shows churned out 42 stories[​IMG] on the tape, nearly 90 minutes of coverage. The tone was hyperbolic; ABC’s "Good Morning America" called it a “bombshell rocking the Mitt Romney campaign,” while ABC "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer declared it a “political earthquake.”

    None of Obama’s gaffes garnered that level of coverage. After the president in a June 8 press conference declared that “the private sector is doing fine,” the ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts gave it just one night’s coverage, then basically dropped the story — nothing further on ABC’s "World News" or the "CBS Evening News" in the weeks that followed, and just two passing references on the "NBC Nightly News."

    And, when Obama infamously declared, “You didn’t build that,” ABC, CBS, NBC didn’t report[​IMG] the politically damaging remark for four days — and then only after Romney made it the centerpiece of a campaign speech.

    2. Pounding Romney With Partisan Fact Checking: There’s nothing wrong with holding politicians accountable for the honesty of their TV ads and stump speeches, but this year the self-appointed media fact-checkers attacked Republicans as liars for statements that were accurate.

    For example, a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter writing for PolitiFact branded[​IMG] VP candidate Paul Ryan’s convention speech anecdote about the closing of the General Motors plant in his hometown as “false,” even though Ryan was correct in all of his details. The slanted review became TV reporters’ talking points[​IMG]; the next day on NBC, correspondent Chuck Todd grumped that while what Ryan said “was technically factual, by what he left out, [he] actually distorted the actual truth.” Matt Lauer greeted Ryan the following week in an interview on Today: “There are some people who are claiming that you played a little fast and loose with the truth....”

    The same thing happened when Mitt Romney talked about Obama’s “apology tour” during the final presidential debate. While in 2009 Obama had, in fact, criticized the United States as “arrogant,” “derisive” and having “too often... set [our] principles aside,” the networks said to call it an “apology tour” was “false” because, as CNN’s John Berman tenuously insisted, “even if he was critical of past U.S. foreign policy, he issued no apologies.”

    Writing in the New York Times August 31, correspondent Jackie Calmes scolded[​IMG] that “the number of falsehoods and misleading statements from the Romney campaign coming in for independent criticism has reached a level not typically seen.” That’s not true, either; Romney’s team was, at worst, guilty of highlighting those facts that best illustrated their points (something done by all politicians), and the Obama campaign certainly put out their share of tawdry TV ads and dubious campaign claims.

    But with “truth cops” who mainly policed just the GOP side of the street, the media used “fact-checking” as another club to tilt the playing field in favor of the Democrats.

    3. Those Biased Debate Moderators: Upset liberals scorned PBS’s Jim Lehrer for taking a hands-off approach in the first debate on October 3, with MSNBC analyst Howard Fineman slamming him as “practically useless[​IMG]” for not jumping into the debate on behalf of President Obama.

    Such criticism may have encouraged the activist approach[​IMG] taken by ABC’s Martha Raddatz in the vice presidential debate October 11, and by CNN’s Candy Crowley in the October 16 town hall debate[​IMG], as both of those journalists repeatedly interrupted the Republican candidate and larded the discussion with a predominantly liberal agenda.

    Crowley earns extra demerits for taking the media’s penchant for faulty fact-checking to new heights when she jumped into the October 16 town hall-style debate to validate President Obama’s claim that he called the attack in Benghazi, Libya, “an act of terror” the very next morning. Crowley endorsed Obama’s story, telling Romney: “He did, in fact, sir, call it an act of terror.”
    Not according to the transcript, which had Obama only speaking generically about how “no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this nation,” not assigning that label to the violence in Benghazi.

    Wrong though she was, Crowley became a heroine to many in the liberal media; ABC's Matt Dowd, for example, cheered[​IMG]: “What Candy Crowley did, I actually thought, was laudable....I hope we get to do more of that in this discourse.”

    Moderators are supposed to ensure both sides get a fair hearing, not pick sides. By leaping into the fray, Candy Crowley epitomized the media’s itch to tilt the scales this year — again, in Obama’s favor.
     
  12. CoinOKC
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    (continued)

    4. The Benghazi Blackout: Right after the September 11 attack in Libya, the networks proclaimed[​IMG] that the events would bolster President Obama — “reminding voters of his power as commander-in-chief,” as NBC’s Peter Alexander stated on the September 14 edition of "Today." But as a cascade of leaked information erased the portrait of Obama as a heroic commander, the broadcast networks shunted the Benghazi story to the sidelines.

    News broke online in late September, for example, that Team Obama knew within 24 hours that the attack was likely the result of terrorism. That starkly contradicted claims from White House press secretary Jay Carney, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, and President Obama himself that the attack was a “spontaneous” reaction to an anti-Muslim video posted on YouTube. Yet, ABC took nearly two days to bring this story to viewers, while CBS and NBC held off for three days.

    This was, shamefully, the broadcast networks’ pattern in October: New developments exposing the administration’s failure to provide adequate security, or contradictions in their public statements, were either given stingy coverage or buried completely. The puzzle pieces revealed a disturbing failure of Obama’s national security apparatus, but the networks flitted in and out of the story, never giving it any traction.

    Instead of an “October Surprise,” the networks engineered an “October Suppression” — keeping a lid on the boiling Benghazi story until Election Day. Who knows how voters might have reacted if the media had covered this story as tenaciously as they did Romney’s “47% gaffe”?

    5. Burying the Bad Economy: Pundits agreed that Obama’s weakness was the failure of the US economy to revive after his expensive stimulus and four years of $1 trillion deficits. But the major networks failed to offer the sustained, aggressive coverage of the economy that incumbent Republican President George H.W. Bush faced in 1992, or even that George W. Bush faced in 2004 — both years when the national economy was in better shape than it is now.

    According to a study conducted that year by the Center for Media and Public Affairs, from January through September of 1992, the networks ran a whopping 1,289 stories on the economy, 88% of which painted it in a dismal, negative light. That fall, the unemployment rate was 7.6%, lower than today’s 7.9%, and economic growth in the third quarter was 2.7%, better than today’s 2.0%. Yet the media coverage hammered the idea of a terrible economy, and Bush lost re-election.

    In 2004, the economy under George W. Bush was far better than it is today — higher growth, lower unemployment, smaller deficits and cheaper gasoline — yet network coverage that year was twice as hostile [​IMG]to Bush than it was towards Obama this year, according to a study by the Media Research Center’s Business and Media Institute.

    When Republican presidents have faced reelection, network reporters made sure to spotlight economic “victims” — the homeless man, the woman without health insurance, the unemployed worker, the senior citizen who had to choose between medicine and food. But this year, with an economy as bad as any since the Great Depression, those sympathetic anecdotes have vanished from the airwaves — a huge favor to Obama and the Democrats.

    Given Obama’s record, the Romney campaign could have overcome much of this media favoritism and still prevailed — indeed, they almost did. But taken together, these five trends took the media’s historical bias to new levels this year, and saved Obama’s presidency in the process.
     
  13. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Excuses excuses!
     
  14. CoinOKC
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    Nope, not excuses just observations. Had the media been in bed with Romney (as they are with Obama) and he'd won I would have said the same thing. Do you honestly not believe that the perception the media created for Obama wasn't a factor in his election and re-election?
     
  15. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    He lost because the Republican base is continuing to shrink while minority voters continue to grow. Point the finger all you want at the media while ignoring all the Right-wing media but the truth is just that the white vote is diminishing and that is a political reality. I know you can't talk intelligently about the issue of race but every pundit is talking exactly about that issue this morning. You keep buying the Fox lies and posting them here even though their polls were total nonsense. You never learn.
     
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  16. Themistokles480

    Themistokles480 New Member

    The media in bed with Obama!? The entire American media practically crucified him after the first debate. The only clear and undeniable media bias I see is located on channel 8, that is, FOX swen (because they always get their facts backwards).
     
  17. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Like I said, this is simple demographics. The Republican Party is primarily made up of rural white voters. Rural voters in general are not a racially diverse group while the racial make up of the country continues to diversify. The trend is only continuing and the party continues to try to become even more conservative which alienates minorities. They are creating their own problems but blaming the media and anything else but themselves.
     
  18. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    I watched a Young Republican talk in Boston a hour or so after it was clear that President Obama had retained the White house, his view was that the Party needed to focus on Small Government, Fiscal prudence, be inclusive to minorities and stay the hell out of peoples private lives and the last bit he stressed back away from the religious zelots. This in his view was the only way the GOP could move forward
     
  19. IQless1
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    IQless1 trump supporters are scum

    The black guy @#$%^&* won?
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    Was the white guy ...not rich enough ...or something? Jesus, was he Mormon?

    Yeah..."Next!"
     
  20. CoinOKC
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    "Black guy". "White guy". Really? Such name-calling is beneath even you.
     

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