All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. Heard any big lies lately? Ask Chrysler & GM.
Political observers remain convinced that winning Ohio next week represents the key to electoral success for both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. They also seemed to be in agreement that the federal government's successful, $50 billion bailout of the auto industry stands out as perhaps the most important issue in the must-win Buckeye state, where an estimated 850,000 jobs are tied to the industry. But Romney's in a bind over the bailout, and for that he can blame the conservative media. Desperate for Ohio's 18 electoral votes, Romney has been trying to change and soften his position on the bailout. He's also running deceptive ads about Detroit. Previously, Romney had derided the government aid as a "sweetheart deal disguised as a rescue plan" and guaranteed that if Detroit companies accepted federal aid, you could "kiss the American automotive industry goodbye." His dismissive comments became more strident during the Republican primary season, even after it became clear the bailout had succeeded. That's when Romney "joined other Republican candidates in a chorus of bailout-bashing and union-bashing," wrote the Detroit Free Press' Tom Walsh. Romney was busy "painting the Obama administration's crisis-management effort as a reckless campaign to run up the national debt and do favors for labor unions." To now help fix his political problem in Ohio, the conservative press, led by Fox News, has been trying to blur Romney's stance on the issue, claiming he simply called for "managed bankruptcy with government backing." In fact, the approach Romney advocated would have thrown the companies into turmoil and cost hundreds of thousands of workers their jobs. But the question remains, why did Romney harden his stance against the bailout over time? Why did he campaign on the idea that government assistance was "the wrong way to go"? One likely explanation is that the right-wing media, a dominant force in the Republican primary campaign (i.e the Fox News Primary), railed against the bailout with extraordinary force. For conservative players like Rush Limbaugh and the team at Fox, the government's helping hand to Detroit symbolized the zenith of Obama's alleged socialist leanings. It also signaled the demise of both democracy and capitalism in America. The now-popular-in-Ohio bailout was a cornerstone of the right-wing freak-out that greeted the new Democratic president. It soon became a pillar of the Tea Party and its overheated attacks on Obama. Voters today might not be sure where Romney stands on the bailout, but there's no doubt about where the entire Republican Noise Machine stood. It hated the move. Fox News' Glenn Beck said the bailout reminded him of the actions of German companies in "the early days of Adolf Hitler," while Fox colleague Sean Hannity condemned Obama for engaging in what he called a "mission to hijack capitalism." In the infamous words of Rush Limbaugh, it was like GM and Chrysler "bent over and grabbed the ankles." Today, Romney's partisan decision to echo the right-wing media's attacks may end up costing him Ohio. It might also cost the Republican Party the White House.
You are starting off well with other peoples lies. Cannot even write your own opinions or give appropriate credit for those who do write their own.
Mitt Romney's round of highly dubious television and radio ads suggesting that Chrysler and GM are shipping American jobs to China has managed to offend both car companies. A spokesperson for General Motors told the Detroit Free Press that the ad was, more or less, crass and misleading. “We've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.” The day before, meanwhile, Chrysler Group LLC CEO Sergio Marchionne penned a letter to the Detroit News insisting that there was no validity to the idea that the company was shipping Jeep production overseas. Instead, he noted, the company was looking to open new factories in China to meet increasing demand there. The Romney campaign has showed no willingness to back off the suggestion that American Jeep workers may end up losing their jobs. In fact, the campaign has released a radio ad in Ohio to complement the one it has on television there that repeats the insinuation. Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making Jeeps in, you guessed it, China. The Romney campaign released the ads before it was rebuked by two of the nation's top automakers. But the criticism seems unlikely to change the campaign's mindset. It never announced the ads to begin with, suggesting the campaign is trying to surreptitiously throw the kitchen sink at President Barack Obama during the election's closing days. Indeed, by Tuesday afternoon, the Romney campaign had put out a blog post from Lee Iacocca and Hal Sperlich, former chairman and president of the Chrysler Corporation, defending Romney as a car guy. We know what kind of bold leadership it takes to turn around a troubled company. We know because we did it back in the early 1980s at Chrysler. And in our opinion, Mitt Romney is the leader we need to help turn our economy around and ensure that the American auto industry is once again a dominant force in the world. Unfortunately, in the absence of a record or a plan to restore the strength of our nation’s economy, President Obama has resorted to misleading attacks about Romney’s commitment to the automotive industry. But if there’s anyone who wants to see American car companies thrive and succeed, it’s Mitt Romney.
From the Rude Pundit... A Quick Tale of Right Wing Ignorance Before the Storm Arrives: The Rude Pundit, well stocked with enough vodka, sausage, and condoms to last a Siberian winter, is awaiting the bad part of Sandy, the not-at-all-related-to-climate-change-late-October-hurricane-for-f*%#@'s-sake. He doesn't know when he will lose internet or power, so he'll just tell a quick story from this past weekend and save the vaguely articulate arguments for another day. In a cozy bar in Morningside Heights in New York City on Friday night, the Rude Pundit sat across from the Elderly Southern Belle, who is white and in her 60s. The Elderly Southern Belle had already entertained the group by saying that she wasn't racist just before launching into her version of Black Person's Voice, which sounded like a toothless ghetto whore out of a 1970s TV cop show. The Elderly Southern Belle's own accent could best be described as "somewhere between Deliverance and Mama's Family." So doing another kind of accent to demonstrate that race's ignorance was a little like a rat acting like a pigeon to show what disease-carrying vermin are like. The ESB started in about politics, the Rude Pundit having vowed that he would avoid the topic in order to keep the evening peaceful. The ESB talked about how bad she felt President Barack Obama had been for business in the nation. The Rude Pundit stayed silent. She talked about how Medicare could only be saved by a Romney presidency. The Rude Pundit stayed silent. She said to the Rude Pundit, "I hope you don't ever want to retire because that money ain't gonna be there." The Rude Pundit could remain silent no more. "My retirement funds are doing great because the stock market is doing great under Obama," he said. The ESB said, "Well, they're not gonna if Obama is reelected." "No," the Rude Pundit said. "When Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones was down to around 6500. It's now over 13,000. That's a fact." She stared at him and said, "Well, that's because--" "No 'That's because--,'" he cut her off. "It's a fact, it's indisputable, it happened, under Obama. Can you say it didn't happen?" She was silent for a moment. Finally she offered, "It went down when he first came to office--" "For a couple of weeks. And then some of his policies came into place, like the stimulus, and it turned around." She tried one more time, saying, "Sure, but--" "No 'but.' No nothing." The Rude Pundit had had enough. "This is a number. It's a fact. It's not an opinion. It's not open to interpretation. It was one number and now it's another number that's twice as high. Under Obama. Argument over." She gave up and moved on to health insurance. That's a story for another time that involves the Rude Pundit saying at one point, "F@%* those doctors who quit." This is what Democrats are up against. It can't be said enough: facts don't matter to Republican voters. Numbers are all lies. And, as we saw in that Chrysler's-sending-jobs-to-China ad this weekend from the Romney campaign, reality has no place in the rhetoric of the right. The truly sad part is how many people, like the ESB, will always believe the lies that confirm their prejudices rather than the truth that challenges them. // posted by Rude One @ 12:20 PMShareThis
Here LISTEN TO THE GM CEO IN HIS OWN WORDS Now how about that $200 ???????? You game or a coward ???????
What is it about this site, that people just copy-paste large blocks of text without attribution? Yeah, Romney is a mendacious, vacillating asshat, but the way you went about reaffirming that fact in the first two posts in this thread was disappointing.
Yeah, I think I've called you on it, too. Nice to see you trying to step up to defend JoeNation, though. That's some admirable bi-partisanship right there. Lazy copy-pasters of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your credibility!
I'd agree with you if it were not partisanlines we were posting on. Who penned the words is not near as relevant as the words themselves. If I post something by let's say the Huffington Post or the RW'ers post something from Fox, a slam on the source is the only rebuttal you tend to receive. I have no interest in hearing Fox News' propaganda and the RW'ers have no interest in anything other than Fox News. Perspectives from an alternate universe have no relevance in this universe as far as I am concerned. Facts are not up for interpretation. Science cannot be dismissed by bible verses. Numbers do not have alternative meanings. So wasting my time posting the sources seems only to fuel their already strong partisan prejudices. Why bother? In case you're really curious, post number one is from Mein Kampf and my second post is from Mediamatters.
You have no interest in hearing the news at all. You bury your head in the sand (otherwise known as MSNBC or the Guardian.uk) because you only want to hear pro-liberal "news" filtered through the sand. Try finding some legitimate stories about the scandal in Benghazi on MSNBC: www.nbcnews.com
This is the classic logical fallacy the typical Right-winger falls for. ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and all the non-Fox news outlets refuse to push RW conspiracy garbage so that serves as proof that all these competitive networks must be working together to suppress the truth and further proves that the conspiracy MUST be true. I'm more a fan of logic and according to Occam's Razor, "The simplest explanation is probably the right explanation." Believing that ALL the networks are colluding together rather than believing one cable network with countless ties to Right-wingers and Right-wing organizations might just have a Right-wing agenda seems to fly in the face of Occam's Razor.
Well, I think you're wrong. What about Drudge, Breitbart, Beck, Limbaugh, WorldNetDaily, HotAir, etc.? There are plenty of sources that a conservative is likely to find more trustworthy than the "lame-stream media."
Now, now let's not turn a blind eye to the liberals and their websites: Huffington Post, The Daily Kos, Politico, The Daily Beast, The Democratic Underground, The Guardian and all the other non-news websites the lefties glean all their "news" from.
I stand corrected. I should have said the Right-wing echo chamber. I posted verifiable facts from Media Matters in coin's nonsense thread about some classified cable Fox supposedly obtained that of course proved that the Libya attack was a cover up but in reality was just Fox's interpretation of one sentence without considering the rest of the information in the same cable. Of course because I posted the source the only retort was a dismissive slap at Media Matters without ever addressing the substance of the argument MM was making. This is the typical behavior of these RW 'ers. They'll spew Fox nonsense but never hear any other information that easily contradicts the nonsense they are buying into but they will disparage any source not part of there Right-wing echo chamber. And you wonder why I don't bother with sourcing my posts? It's pointless.
Turn a blind eye to this Fox News boy.... Fox News hosts and contributors have campaigned for Republican candidates and organizations from coast to coast this election cycle. According to a Media Matters review, at least 32 Fox News figures have backed Republican efforts in more than 300 instances during the 2011-2012 election cycle. The Fox News personalities have campaigned for Republicans nationally and in more than 40 states. These Fox News campaigners have officially endorsed candidates; advised campaigns; played key roles in fundraisers and events; recorded advertisements and robocalls; and helped direct expenditures to support Republicans and oppose Democrats through Republican-aligned groups. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is the largest beneficiary of the Fox News campaigning. Five Fox News figures are advising Romney's campaign, and nine have been featured in a Romney event. The Fox campaigning involves hundreds of millions of dollars, with participants' activities ranging from collectively being featured in more than 100 fundraisers to advising organizations like American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. Media Matters previously examined Fox News personalities who have rallied for Republican causes in prior years, Fox's active role in the GOP presidential primary, the network's support for the Tea Party movement, and Fox's four-year campaign to make Barack Obama a one-term president. Media Matters produced this report based on various Internet searches and an examination of Nexis, Facebook, Twitter, and campaign finance databases such as OpenSecrets.org and FEC.gov. This report is intended to be a snapshot of Fox's campaign activity and not an absolute count. Since many Republican events are not publicly promoted, this report undoubtedly undercounted the extent of Fox's campaigning.
Just curious, but could you name a single "Republican effort" mediamatters has backed? That's what I thought. Classic example of fair and balance news. OOPS! I mean propaganda/lies.
