Told you so...

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Midas, May 22, 2007.

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  1. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Um by 1140 most of the Christians have been slaughtered or forced to convert by the growing arab muslim forces. Join us and rape at will take as many wifes as you want, take everything you want from someone us and you know what with our religion you will go to hevan for it. A religion of criminals against the family farmer, trader, craftsman.

    but you would want an example well look into history before it is all re-written and you would see that Egypt was a Christian nation and followed the Coptic Church but after the Arab invasion in 641, the Copts slowly diminished in numbers, becoming a minority in Egypt sometime between the 9th and 13th centuries. Arabic replaced Coptic as the official language of the country in the 8th century. I picked Egypt for it is a large entity even if it is not mid-east but north africa which is another story of death.

    Look into it yourself if you really want to know the truth of the muslims genocide against the christian and non-christian world.
     
  2. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    And for centuries prior to the Coptic faith the Egyptians worshiped Ra and other gods who were in turn replaced, also look at the re conquest of Spain by the Christians and what happend to the Jewish and Muslim populations, then look at the Conquest of the Americas and tell me what happend there!
    It happens all the time so please do not make out that the Christians in the middle ages were innocents far from it. In nearly every era the predominate religion of a area has persecuted others, nothing changes.
     
  3. Midas

    Midas New Member

    OK...when you move ahead to today's times, what religion is involved in over 30 of today's conflicts and wars? Islam.
    What religion professes "peace" when their ACTIONS are far from it? Islam

    What religion has over 100 passages of hate, murder, tortue, etc. in its koran of today? Islam.

    We look at the past to understand the actions of today.

    There is NO doubt that this religion that was founded on terrorism and killing and it is the primary reason why we are fighting against these muslim animals of today.

    It is in the koran, it is in the life and misdeeds of their pedophile/terrorist prophet, and it has been a CONSTANT part oft heir history for over 1,400 years.
     
  4. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    yeah, I love how the Egyptians are sited as Christians...that is of course because they were conquered by Rome and had their own religion removed and outlawed and replaced by roman gods...and then of course Rome became Christian and Christians, as we know, were very tolerant of other religions back then right? The best part is the Coptic's were outlawed by the western Christians as heresy so if Islam didn't get them, the west would have...the same way the west sacked Byzantium, the people they were there to save from the muslims.

    But honestly, how could I read all that 'revised' history from contemporary accounts of the crusades and not realize that those fellas that raped and pillaged the middle east and Constantinople and set up kingdoms in the east on land they took were just simple family farmers, traders, and craftmen that meant no harm to anyone in the area and were just there to farm (just like colonialism, we were just trying to help and had no alterior motive) !! Its all so clear now!! Those poor christians didnt want to bother anyone, they didnt want to fight in the name of the christian god, they had no other reason for leaving their homes in the west to invade the middle east but to farm...nothing more. Here I was being suckered by contemporary accounts written at the time by learned byzantium scholars that they were there to set up christian kingdoms in the east and raped and pillaged causing untold damage and harm to the people and treasures of a once great empire!! :)

    Certainly the west, in ancient times, Roman and Greek, did not have a policy of invading the east and holding that territory as their own regardless of what the people there wanted and inflicting every manner of atrocity on them to make sure they stay down....and conflicts between east and west certainly were not already par for course well before islam ever came about...and certainly modern european nations did not take and subjegate the east and africa up until the 20th century...India, pakistan, Egypt, Tuniesia, Iraq, etc...etc...these were NEVER taken and subjugated by the west with no regard for the people who lived there already and the west NEVER treated these people like inhuman animals...ever...I just dont know what their problem is with the christian west as it has always treated the people of the east with complete respect...all the west has ever wanted was to go about or business in peace, we never wanted to hurt anyone. The west respects human life and dignity and always has:

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    ^^ I am sure that man wanted to carry that guy like an animal...being a beast of burden is fun so I hear...that photo is just one of many, dont expect me to spam all of them like Midas ;) And yes...I realize that both the west and the east have been Imperialistic...neither culture is innocent of pushing their will on the powerless and defeated...
     
  5. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Muslim apologists/appeasers offer excuse after excuse when it comes to dealing with the actions of muslims over the last 1,400 years.

    Why is it they excuse all of the hate (better than 100 passages) in the koran?

    Why is it they excuse the 160 plus passages calling muslims to jihad?

    Why is it they excuse the terrorist and this blood thirsty so-called prophet that founded this cancer to the free world?

    Meanwhile...the actions of these muslim animals make it very clear that those that follow the koran and the terrorist life and misdeeds of mohammad (spit on him) have NO desire to live in peace with non-believers of islam.

    Their history is clear. There words of "peace" are simply to buy them time (called hudna in arabic) as they regroup and rearm.

    And their actions make my point...

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    Mideast leader: Obama a Muslim who studied in Islamic schools

    Says Arab world campaign contributions 'may enable him to win U.S. presidency'

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    Posted: October 17, 2008 9:00 pm Eastern

    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally.

    "There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama," said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country.

    Meanwhile...

    After all, 23% of the world's Muslims firmly admit and believe 9/11 was legitimate, from an Islamic point of view.

    That is almost 300 million muslim animals!!


    "Muslims support suicide bombings new poll reveals," from the Sunday Mercury, October 18:

    ALMOST a quarter of Muslims support suicide bombings, according to a shock new poll on an internet website.

    Radicalised youths from the Midlands are among those to have posted messages backing terrorists on the www.ummah.com forum.

    One member had started the survey by asking users: “Do you agree with suicide bombings?

    Of those who responded, an alarming 24 per cent said they supported suicide attacks like the 7/7 tube bombings in London and the 9/11 atrocity in America.

    One posting on the poll said: “I agree with suicide bombers. They should target Muslims too. They should also target those coward sleeping moderate Muslims.”

    Told you so!!
     
  6. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    So we are back on the Obama is a Muslim just because of his name!! (Even McCain had to agree that he was not) Oh and while we are at it I would hardly have called the middle ages a FREE WORLD by any stretch of the imagination, do you honestly think he was the only ruler to behave in such a manner?
    You know you have quite a bit in common with these Muslims that you attack all the time try reading there rhetoric and notice the sameness. I love how if anyone disagrees with you they are muslim apologists or in some way anti american, you know what you would also have fitted in perfectly with the nazi or comunist propoganda machines LOL
     
  7. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I am not sorry...I am simply bringing these acts and actions of our enemy to the forefront.

    Fact and First of All: Muslims worldwide are overwhelming supporting B.O., and B.O. is getting a ton of money from foreign muslim nationals. Is it wrong to ask why?

    Second, the percentage of radical muslims to the total muslim population is dramatically higher than the percentage of Germans that identified themselves as Nazis during their rise in the 1920's and 1930's.

    Does it NOT bother you that there are almost 300 million muslims that believe the attacks on 9/11 and 7/7 (in England) are JUSTIFIED??

    Shoot...I just can't make this stuff up.
     
  8. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    I forgive the christian bible for all the awful things it says people should do. The awful things its followers do and have done in the past.....I forgive Moses for committing Genocide and then being held up as a great man of god... christians seem to be able to ignore all those passages (when they feel like it) and follow the good bits so why shouldnt those muslims who dont follow all the bad bits in the Quaran also be forgiven...Its a culture thing, not religion...the sooner you realize this, the sooner you will stop sounding like an obsessed nazi...or worse, a hard core muslim who calls human beings animals. ;) Just advice, take it or leave it...
     
  9. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Again, look at the ACTIONS of these muslims animals versus the ACTIONS of us infidels. Please provide examples of Christians or Jews who hold their own holy books proclaiming "God is Great" as they blow themselves up and kill all in their wake!! The muslim world has thousands of examples of jihadists that kill for Islamic purposes.


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    The koran's instructions are the very opposite to the Christian Bible. Mohammad (spit on him) abrugated any earlier peaceful verses found in the koran. "True" muslims believe his word is FINAL. When Mohammad tells muslims to be a "good muslim", you must kill and all, again, his word is FINAL!

    The New Testament abrugated anything stated and recorded in the Old Testament. Jesus promoted love, peace, and all of that stuff...he didn't tell his followers to "smite their heads" like muslim animals (here's a small sample of hate that drives muslim animals to act like...animals!)

    Koran:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

    Koran:9:5Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    Koran:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Koran:9:29Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

    But again, look at the ACTIONS attributed to muslim animals...they speak volumns over anything a muslim appeaser/apologist can offer.
     
  10. Drusus

    Drusus New Member

    Then they need to remove the old testament because obviously everyone didn't get the word that Christ negated it because Christians are constantly quoting from the old testament and some them, like these lovely people:

    www.godhatesfags.com

    www.godhatesamerica.com

    didn't get the message...

    see how dangerous the bible is? Unless people are told not to follow those bits they will want to stone people to death and they will still think the genocidal Moses is someone to admire!! People use it to support hate...I say we get rid of the whole damn thing and outlaw both the bible and the quran.

    I am just happy that you are so over the top that people can easily see what you are...You would be more dangerous if you were able to control your obsessive ranting.
     
  11. Midas

    Midas New Member

    If fellow Christians were to commit a crime or worse yet, an act of terrrorism, other Christians and Jews go over the top to hunt these people down and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. In some cases, we execute them.

    However, in the muslim world, they have demonstrated through their ACTIONS (and lack of) where "so-called-peaceful" muslims turn their back to acts of islamic terrorism. Case in point, when Hezbullah and Hamas blow themselves up or launch rockets into Jewish civilain centers, the rest of the muslim world CELEBRATES this madness.

    Let us not forget:

    23% of the world's Muslims firmly admit and believe 9/11 was legitimate, from an Islamic point of view.

    That is almost 300 million muslim animals!!

    For every one person you may find, I can easily counter with MILLIONS of "true" muslims who have demonstrated to the free societies that they are nothing but a cancer to the world

    Until you can show me a number of Christians are holding a Bible yelling out "Jesus is Great" as they kill themselves and others for no other reason than it is INSTRUCTED (as per the hundreds of passages found in the koran), then you have nothing to back your assertion.

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    Please don't equate one or two examples against the MILLIONS of muslim animals that want sharia/islamic law for all...and are willing to die for their allah for it ( and +/- 72 virgins)
     
  12. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    What bothers me is your rhetoric, I have freinds serving in the British forces and the majority of them like me dont hate all Muslims, should I hate all Irish people or Catholics because some fanatics killed some of my comrades and tried on a daily basis to kill me? Perhaps I should also hate all the Germans and French who have tried to kill my countrymen, Just look at the indiscriminate bombing carried out by the Luftwaffa on civilian targets.
    I have lived next door to Muslims and you coudnt ask for nicer people, Muslims do speak out against the fanatics but that is not enough for you, why should they repudiate there holy book do you repudiate the bible?
    You mention the suicide bombers who blow themselfs up in the name of there god, dont that tell you something about there belief, they truely believe were we in turn for the most part just pay lip service to our religion. Oh and it is not a muslim invention you know, the Japanese did it during WWII as have the Tamil Tigers, or even in the bible when Samson pulled down the temple on top of himself and the philistines, or how about the Knights Templers who destroyed one of there own ships with some 140+ Christians on board just so they could take out a greater number of Muslims :D
    Slightly more modern was the Dutch captain who blew up his own ship so it woudnt fall into the hands of the Belgians, or the German soldier (Karl Klinke) who used himself as a human bomb to blow a hole in some Dutch fortifications.
    Then there was the attack on Lodz airport, the list goes on and on, German pilots ramming bombers.
     
  13. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    PS the Germans are a race Muslims are not, you would do better to compare how many Facists there were in the world.
     
  14. craig a

    craig a New Member

    Thats because christians are weak. They hold on to the bible like a crutch. Do you know how much strength it takes to blow yourself up? If christians had that much fervor in thier beliefs There wouldnt be a problem with muslims. Or maybe the thought of strapping all that crap on and going out to do something is a hassle. Especially when the Giants are about to play.
     
  15. Midas

    Midas New Member

    I am sure not all Germans were evil during the beginning of World War II, but when the majority of Germans turned their backs as the Nazis rose to power, they became the enemy and had to be thoroughly defeated.

    Now we face an enemy whose religion is the cause of over 95% of the world's wars and conflicts. The actions of this religion are NOT new...it has been a constant since mohammad killed his first infidel.

    Here's the part that is alarming...muslim Americans (not the muslim animals you see in countries like Saudi Arabia) support Al Qaeda and islamic terrorism in alarming numbers according to many polls. The Pew Research poll I cited is the most extensive ever about the feelings of muslims living in the United States.

    To no surprise, the liberal media and many muslim apologists/appeasers have gone to great lengths to paint a rosy picture of a dim finding.

    There are 2.35 million muslims living in the United States, so let’s show the real math with the percentages.
    -13% of all American Muslims approve of suicide bombings. The sentiment is strongest among younger muslims.
    …which means (or equals to muslim appeasers) that 305,000 muslims living in the United States support suicide bombings.
    -5% if U.S. Muslims support Al Qaeda specifically, although fully 25% refused to answer the question.
    …which means that AT LEAST 117,500 muslims in the United States support Al Qaeda’s objectives, which are to destroy western civilization while converting all people to muslim at the point of a sword, or kill us if we refuse. BTW...how can 25% refuse to answer a question like this!?! Think about it as you defend these people!
    -Only 40% of American Muslims believe that Arab men attacked the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
    …which means that 1,410,000 Muslims in the United States think that “the Jews did it” or that 9/11 was some other conspiracy.
    -47% of American muslims consider themselves muslim first rather than American.
    …which means that 1,105,000 Muslims living in the United States are more loyal to Islam than to the country.

    And yes, this is similar to the views of avid Christians and Jews, but they aren’t killing people in the name of religion...are they now??
    -25% of all younger muslims in the United States support suicide bombings to defend religious beliefs.
    …this is one of the most interesting statistics which lead me to start this thread, which shows us all what the blame America first bleedng-heart liberal education system is doing to undermine the country.

    So...go ahead with your one or two examples and try to equate it to the millions of muslim animals that are simply following their faith and ACTIONS over the last 1,400 years.

    Until the rest of the muslim population stands up and takes ACTION (not lip service) against the islamic terrorist among them, they will have to suffer the same fate as the German people that "supported" the Nazis's of World War II.

    Face it...I understand we have to fight these muslim animals. I just don't understand how you can appease these "true" muslims when history has proven you can't...and never will!
     
  16. clembo

    clembo Well-Known Member

    So I have to keep going back to this point Midas.

    You have quoted all sorts of "facts" here. Laid out some numbers blah, blah, blah.

    The ONLY way is genocide if you look at it. This is, in essence, what you preach.
    I've pointed it out before. If you are this strong in your feelings how can you tell who is a "good" Muslim (or shall I say "converted, reformed etc.?) and who is not?
    You can't.

    So let's say we get rid of all of them? Who's next? What form of Christianity takes over? What about Wicans, Evil Girl Scouts, people who's name begin with the letter P?

    ANY of these groups could be a threat to your life.

    Yes, I gest but at some point you may actually open your eyes for one teeny little second and see how ludicrous your comments are.

    In the long run my "gest" ain't that funny. IF one killled one faith another is ready to replace.
     
  17. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    87% of American Muslims Dont APPROVE of Suicide Bombings :D
    70% of American Muslims DONT support Al Qaeda :D
    60% of American Muslims Dont think Arabs Men attacked the Twin Towers
    This dont say that they think the Jews did it but that someonelse was responsible! (How many Non Muslims also think this?)
    47% of American muslims put there religion first, how many Christians and other religions do the same? It dont mean that they are not Loyal Citizens :D
    75% of YOUNG AMERICAN MUSLIMS DO NOT SUPPORT SUICIDE BOMBINGS :D


    If we have to fight the fanatics why is it we have left the main center for them so underfunded for so long, by this I mean Afghanistan?
     
  18. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Evil wins when good does nothing. Simply dismissing that there are millions upon millions "true" muslims who follow the koran as mohammad intended and doing nothing allows these animals to win. Before you fight this war, at the very minimum you have to identify why we are fighting and the core of our enemy.

    Face it...these are AMERICAN muslims who answered the poll. I still can't believe that 5% of these muslim animals openly support islamic terrorism while another 25% refused to answer if they support islamic terrorism or not. If they are "so-called-peaceful", HOW can they NOT answer this question. That alone tells us volumnes.

    Just imagine if Christians or Jews were asked the same questions with the same results...DO YOU REALLY THINK the press would have spun the results like you have?? There would have been congressional hearings and everything...but nooooooooo, when you are dealing with muslims, most in the media are too PC to report the truth about this sick religion.

    Think about it, if you don't think it is alarming that 25% of young Ameican muslim animals support suicide bombiing...that are HERE in this country, well...I have a bucket of sand that you should go stick your head into. Again, this is for American muslims, not some whacked country like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.

    It is in the koran...it is in their history...it comes from the life and misdeeds of their founding terrorist prophet. This is nothing new...what is new is that these muslim animals who used to fight and kill with swords have the ability to go out and purchase better weapons from all of their oil revenue.

    As for Afghanistan...that is just ONE front on the war against "true" islam. This cancer has spread to the Far East to Africa, and all points in between. Remember...over 95% of today's wars and conflicts all deal with islam at the core.
     
  19. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Who has spun what if 25% say one thing then logic tells you 75% did not, they are your figures not mine, so dont blame me if I can read percentages. What was the actual number who took part in the survay to begin with? I bet it was not every muslim in America
    Now as for Afghanistan, were are the Taliban and Al Quaida situated? were did those who destroyed the twin towers eminate from, were were all the training camps situated? Were is Bin Laden? Its time you woke up to the mistakes of your own and other goverments who refused to take these lunatics seriously. Get the troops out of Iraq send them to Afghanistan destroy the head of the monster once and for all.
    Oh and who has spent Billions arming these people in the firast place? Us and the Russians/Chinese for our own ends so you can hardly blame them for using our own wepons against us.
    Your Goverment and Mine suck up to the Saudies who openly fund these crazies and do we comment oh no cant upset them.
    How well do you think they would cope without that funding and the support in Afghanistan?
    Its time you started to focus your attention on were the real problem lies and not go off spouting at a entire religion
     
  20. Midas

    Midas New Member

    Oh please...you know as well as I do that IF 25% of Christians and/or Jews living in this country supported terrorism like muslim animals, the left would be going crazy right now. But when it comes to the religion of islam, we are so afraiid and PC'ed to death...we simply can't call "a duck, a duck".

    I don't care about the PC crowd...Islam is a terrible religion, a terrible way of life, and it is responsible for 95% of the worlds's wars and conflicts.

    Shoot, if 1% of Christians or Jews supported anytype of terrorism, you would see it all over the front page news!! Just think about it!

    Our government unforatunately has to suck up to the Saudis because we import sooooo much foreign oil. I hate it. I can't stand the thought that our oil dollars are funding islamic teachings and world-wode jihad. It truly is insance, but as long as we are addicted to foreign oil, we have to kiss their butts.

    Your other point: Afghanistan is just ONE FRONT against islamic jihad. Unfortunately, islamic jihad has reared its ugly head all across the world:

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    BTW...did you not forget the islamic terrorist attacks BEFORE 9/11??

    Here is a small sample from 1988 to 2001:

    1988 February: Marine Corps Lt. Colonel Higgens, Chief of the U.N. Truce Force, was kidnapped and murdered by Hezbollah...a terrorist muslim organization

    December: Pan Am flight 103 from London to New York was blown up over Scotland by muslim animals, killing 270 people, including 35 from Syracuse University and a number of American military personnel.

    1991
    November: American University in Beirut bombed.

    1993
    January: A Pakistani islamic terrorist opened fire outside CIA headquarters, killing two agents and wounding three.

    February: World Trade Center bombed by islamic animals, killing six and injuring more than 1,000. The first islamic attack on the WTC!! Did you forget??

    1995
    January: Operation Bojinka, Osama bin Laden's plan to blow up 12 airliners over the Pacific Ocean, discovered.
    November: Five Americans killed in attack on a U.S. Army office in Saudi Arabia.

    1996
    June: Truck bomb at Khobar Towers kills 19 American servicemen and injures 240.
    June: Islamic terrorist opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one.

    1997
    February: Palestinian (Islamic Animal) opens fire at top of Empire State Building, killing one and wounding more than a dozen.
    November: Islamic terrorists murder four American oil company employees in Pakistan.

    1998
    January: U.S. Embassy in Peru bombed.
    August: Simultaneous bomb attacks on U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killed more than 300 people and injured over 5,000.

    1999
    October: Egypt Air flight 990 crashed off the coast of Massachusetts, killing 100 Americans among the more than 200 on board; the muslim pilot yelled "Allahu Akbar!" as he steered the airplane into the ocean.

    2000

    October: An islamic suicide boat exploded next to the U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 American sailors and injuring 39.

    2001
    September: Terrorists with four hijacked airplanes kill around 3,000 Americans in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.
    December: Richard Reid, the muslim "shoe bomber," tries to blow up a transatlantic flight, but is stopped by passengers.

    Told you so!!
     
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