Storm Front Part 2

Discussion in 'Chatter' started by Tim Bruening, Mar 19, 2008.

  1. Tim Bruening

    Tim Bruening Guest

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    Enterprise is stuck in an alternate timeline, in which the Nazis have
    conquered the Eastern United States with the aid of aliens with bumpy
    purplish, bluish, or brownish heads. In return, the Nazis are helping
    the aliens build a time conduit to return to the 29th century.

    Great moments: The news reel of Hitler receiving a hero's welcome in New
    York.

    Archer shoving Silik against a wall after he is discovered masquerading
    as Trip.

    Vosk the alien leader firing a plasma cannon at Enterprise after Archer
    refuses to give him Silik.

    Vosk threatening to erase a Nazi general from history.

    Silik the Suliban squeezing through a slot beside a door.

    The battle between the American insurgents and the Nazis at the conduit
    building.

    Trip thinking that Captain Archer is Silik in disguise. Archer shows
    Trip the recently deceased Silik (who was killed by a German soldier
    while helping Archer take out the conduit).

    An insurgent leader saying that he's having too much fun fighting the
    Germans at the conduit building, so he doesn't want to withdraw.

    German fighter planes firing photonic torpedoes at Enterprise as it
    flies through New York, maneuvering around the skyscrapers. Since
    Enterprise's targeting scanners aren't working, it has a hard time
    hitting the more maneuverable planes. Only one plane got hit.

    The time conduit.

    Enterprise taking out the conduit.

    Archer and Daniels watching the timeline repair itself. Many historical
    scenes are shown, including Margaret Thatcher, Ayatollah Khomani, and
    the World Trade Center burning (why couldn't Daniels undo that
    attack?). Why no images of the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s?

    In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    far as Moscow?

    At one point, Vosk returns Trip and another crew man to Archer, but Trip
    turns out to be Silik in disguise. Why did Silik try to escape when
    Archer mentioned the energy shields around the time conduit building,
    and not sooner or later?

    After the time conduit is destroyed, Daniels tells Archer that all the
    damage Vosk and his people caused "never happened" Does this mean that
    Silik's death has been unhappened?
     
  2. Tim Bruening

    Tim Bruening Guest

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    In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    far as Moscow?

    How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    scare people?
     
  3. Kweeg

    Kweeg Guest

    "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
    news:47FB122E.742CC17D@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
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    > In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    > Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    > someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    > take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    > to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    > West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    > far as Moscow?
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    > How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    > scare people?


    Other than the fact we're talking about a fictional alternate timeline,
    communism was not the only factor that enabled Hitler to control the Nazi
    party and eventually the German state.
    Perhaps you should do some reading, 'cause I don't wanna have to type
    everything out:
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=hitler's rise to power&meta=
    http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=hitler communists&btnG=Search&meta=
    --

    Qapla'
    Kweeg
    Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
    "Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty (Spectre of the Gun)
    1,079,252,848.8 km/h, not just a good idea, it's the law.
    "So say we all!"
     
  4. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    On 2008-04-08 07:35:26 +0100, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> said:

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    > In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    > Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    > someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    > take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    > to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    > West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    > far as Moscow?
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    > How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    > scare people?


    "Evil Alien Nazis" was perhaps the silliest idea in "Enterprise", so
    looking for intelligent background of that sort is probably pointless;
    but then again, what the hell.

    Even if Russia were not industrialised, the agrarian vastnesses of the
    Ukraine and surrounding areas would have made a useful breadbasket to
    supply troops in a protracted war. And it's questionable how far 'fear
    of Communism' propelled Hitler to power (though it was clearly a
    contributory factor). The economic collapse of Germany during the
    Weimar period encouraged political extremism.
     
  5. Anim8rFSK

    Anim8rFSK Guest

    In article <2008040809342616807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
    Andrew <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote:

    > On 2008-04-08 07:35:26 +0100, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
    > said:
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    > > Spoilers for both parts of Storm Front:
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    > > In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    > > Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    > > someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    > > take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    > > to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    > > West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    > > far as Moscow?
    > >
    > > How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    > > scare people?

    >
    > "Evil Alien Nazis" was perhaps the silliest idea in "Enterprise", so
    > looking for intelligent background of that sort is probably pointless;
    > but then again, what the hell.


    I dunno; the Klingon homeworld being within Sol's Oort cloud was pretty
    bad.

    --
    Star Trek 09:

    No Shat, No Show.
    http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    On 2008-04-08 15:06:53 +0100, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net> said:

    > In article <2008040809342616807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
    > Andrew <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2008-04-08 07:35:26 +0100, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
    >> said:
    >>
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    >>> Spoilers for both parts of Storm Front:
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    >>> In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    >>> Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    >>> someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    >>> take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    >>> to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    >>> West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    >>> far as Moscow?
    >>>
    >>> How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    >>> scare people?

    >>
    >> "Evil Alien Nazis" was perhaps the silliest idea in "Enterprise", so
    >> looking for intelligent background of that sort is probably pointless;
    >> but then again, what the hell.

    >
    > I dunno; the Klingon homeworld being within Sol's Oort cloud was pretty
    > bad.


    OK. I'll give you that. "One of the silliest ideas" then.
     
  7. Tim Bruening

    Tim Bruening Guest

    Anim8rFSK wrote:

    > In article <2008040809342616807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
    > Andrew <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote:
    >
    > > On 2008-04-08 07:35:26 +0100, Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
    > > said:
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    > > > Spoilers for both parts of Storm Front:
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    > > > In part 1, the Nazis said that the Russians were trying to retake
    > > > Moscow. In part 2, we learn that the timeline went off track when
    > > > someone assassinated Lenin in 1916. As a result, the Communists did not
    > > > take over Russia and industrialize it, so Hitler didn't consider Russia
    > > > to be a threat. Therefore he concentrated all his resources on the
    > > > West. Why then would German troops be in control of Russia at least as
    > > > far as Moscow?
    > > >
    > > > How did Hitler even come to power without a Communist threat with which to
    > > > scare people?

    > >
    > > "Evil Alien Nazis" was perhaps the silliest idea in "Enterprise", so
    > > looking for intelligent background of that sort is probably pointless;
    > > but then again, what the hell.

    >
    > I dunno; the Klingon homeworld being within Sol's Oort cloud was pretty
    > bad.


    In which episode is that fact revealed?
     

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