Was Judas A Traitor Or An Unfailing Follower Of Christ?

Sorry Snafu, but no. that's wrong. The opportunity for them to be forgiven is most definitely there, but the forgiveness isn't their until they ask for it.

 

The forgiveness isn't there until they fully give it. Sincerity lies in the giving.. not the asking and getting. If you think someone needs to ask you for your forgiveness to get it from you, that is not sincere. One gives it without being asked, always, for everything. Just like Jesus. Then and only then will they receive it.. It's all up to us, not Jesus.



If it was as easy as you claim and would like to believe, this would be the opposite..

Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. ~ Jesus (NASB) Matt. 7:13-14


Easy to ask for it.. not as easy to give it.. which is the only way to find the narrow gate.

Not forgiving someone hurts you, not them.. Jesus understood this. It's all in the giving, not the getting.

Plus, it is your view where people think, "no matter what I do, all I have to do is ask and I will be forgiven, may as well keep sinning even though I know it's wrong"...

Everyone is sincere in the asking of forgiveness for themselves.. not so sincere in the giving of forgiveness to others, which is all that matters. Follow the example of Jesus. That is what He wanted.

 

You are taking a whole lot of liberties with the scripture- meaning you are reading a lot in there that isn't there.

It is as easy as I say- to receive forgiveness from God, that is. People, however, not so much- but like you said- we should forgive others first.

But to grow in your relationship with God- that is where the "in the measure in which you gave, it will be given to you" comes in.

 

What liberties? Can one find the gate without forgiveness of their sins?

How does one get forgiveness? Asking for it sincerely will not mean you get it. Everyone sincerely wants forgiveness for themselves.. But few will find the gate that leads to life. To get it, you must give it sincerely, just like Jesus did. That is how I see it.

Think of this.. we've all held on to a grudge.. does that make your soul feel good or breed hate and anger? That should tell you something.. and help you know I am right. Not forgiving hurts you, not the person you refuse to forgive. They don't need your forgiveness, you do.

 

This is wrong. If you sincerely ask God to forgive you, He will. remember, I'm referring to God, not man. I think you are talking about man, while I am talking about God.

I don't disagree with this, and I'm not sure why you think I did.

 

I'm not talking about man other than the example Jesus set for us. It is His words I listen to, and trust. Not those who have twisted his teachings to serve themselves and men in their Earthly life by making them think they will be forgiven just for the asking.. They will be forgiven for the giving, not the asking, sincerely.

That should tell you I am right.

 

eddo I forgive you if you ever insult me. There you got forgiveness before it happened.

 

You got it Snafola..

Ditto for me eddo, as well as anything and everything else you may do in the future.

 

Screw all three of you.

 

I forgive you for that comment.

 

I forgave you for that last week..

 

The devil made Judas do it:

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You know, if I were the devil I'd be pissed off at a bunch of panzi's blaming me for everything they do wrong too.

Judas should have followed his teachers example like he claimed...


Perhaps this is where all our "it's always someone elses fault for what I do" world came from.. Devils a good target, he can't defend himself.. Plus, all I have to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and I'm in.. Hmmmmm


I think if Jesus were alive, he'd say.. "free will, remember? What did I teach you"?

 

Wasn't that flip Wilson's line?