Why Do Dems Oppose Energy Independence?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mopar Dude, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I heard Biden last night proclaim an immediate end to drilling and fracking? Why do we want to put ourselves at the mercy of the Middle East again?
     
  2. JohnHamilton
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    Biden was pandering to the left wing base of the Democratic Party. Ending fracking and drilling on Federal lands will, more than likely, increase the prices for fossil fuels. That will make renewable alternatives more economically viable.

    So far as Middle East dependence is concerned, the left is not concerned about that. First their globalist view supports more dependence on Middle Eastern oil, and more imports. If anything, moves by OPEC, the Russians and other oil produces to disrupt our economy will make their renewable energy sources more attractive.

    The bottom line is the left thinks that the economic disruptions that will result from their restrictive policies are a good and necessary things to achieve the goals that they deem to be essential.
     
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  3. JoeNation
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    Instead of letting someone who isn't a Dem and has no idea what anyone else is actually thinking tell you what Dems are thinking, let me tell you.

    You asked the wrong question.

    Democrats want complete energy independence from THE ENTIRE OIL INDUSTRY. Democrats understand that we already have the technology to get completely off oil, natural gas, and coal. Will it take a National effort and the ending of subsidizes to the oil industry? Hell yes! But the sooner we do this the faster energy independence will be a reality.

    I would ask why Republicans are so determined to pump every last drop of oil out of the ground and then break up the earth to extract the remaining oil from the shale but I already know the answer. Republicans are completely in the pockets of the fossil fuel industry to the point that they are willing to destroy the environment of the entire planet to keep taking the dirty oil money and deny the entire scientific community with a disinformation campaign sponsored by the oil industry. It's complete nuts.

    Green renewable energy creates more jobs, protects the planet, gives every country a way to be energy independent, and the technology already exists. Who do you think would be against every country having renewable energy? Would it be the fossil fuel industry?

    What you don't understand is that the fossil fuel industry has so much power that when it finally collapses, many countries with have leadership changes because oil money is the only thing keeping them in power. Oil is a massive driver of power across the world and they don't intend to go quietly regardless of the damage they are doing. Screw the Middle East, screw the Russians, and screw the fossil fuel industry.
     
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  4. Mopar Dude

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    OK... That does make sense. However that change cannot occur overnight. We still have to rely on fossil fuel until the infrastructure can be changed to support renewable energy, right? And the Army trained side of me wonders what would happen if we were attacked by a major military force. Our entire military needs vast quantities of fossil fuel to be effective. Wouldn't it make more sense to perhaps slow the pumping of fossil fuel while the renewable energy sector catches up rather than sever it entirely?

    This whole virus thing has been a real eye opener to me. It was rather stunned to discover that so much of our medical medicines and equipment were sourced from the Chinese. I suppose in a world economy these sorts of things are unavoidable. It is far more comforting to think that our nation is capable of being independent with it's fuel supply.
     
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  5. JoeNation
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    Here is an interesting fact that just might ring a bell for some reason. Guess where most medical gloves and masks and other protective equipment is made? I mean like most of the world's supply?

    IN PUERTO RICO!!! Remember that US territory that we badly neglected after the hurricane.
     
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  6. JohnHamilton
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    There are number of problems with “renewable energy sources.”

    The first is expense. Despite improvements in technology, it is still far more expensive and fossil fuels. Switching over to it completely would send energy cost shock waves through the out the economy.

    I was a cost accountant for an energy intense chemical company in the early 1970s. During the year of Arab oil embargo, the cost of production for that firm more than doubled. The cost of basic chemicals, such as sulfuric acid and sodium hydroxide, which are used in many industries went up along with the cost of production. The result was the beginning of the hyper inflation which plagued the nation for years from the mid 1970s until the early 1980s.

    These economic disruptions are not easy to deal with, and if they are forced instead of phased in over time, the effects on some parts of the population can be profound.

    The second is where do you put the solar panel and wind farms? These devices take space, and there are lots of people who might say, “Okay, but not in my backyard.” Does anyone remember John Kerry who said “No” to building windmills off the shore of Cape Cod?

    Third, is the question of climate in the areas where these devices might be built. If there is no wind, there is nothing to turn the turbines, and an alternative energy source is necessary. There is ad that runs down here, I think about a place in Indiana, where the wind blows most all the time. When it doesn’t blow, they have to switch to natural gas. That’s a nice system for one town, but redundancies like that are not cheap.

    Solar farms are dependent upon sunlight. If it’s cloudy or it rains, there is not enough light to run the thing. In the northern states, that could be issue frequently during certain times of the year. One April when I was living in Boston, we didn’t see the sun for the entire month. It was either rainy or cloudy every day. Whatever gigantic solar farm which would have been serving that part of New England would have been inoperative for that month.
     
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  7. JoeNation
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    What cost the world?
     
  8. JohnHamilton
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    You and Glen Beck should get together. He is the far right wing loon who is telling us to sell every stock we have because the world is coming to an end. He is a fear mongering pompous ass, who has somehow built a large radio following and a news network called The Blaze.

    You are far left wing loon who would shut down entire industries with the stroke of your pen because YOU have decided that is what is required. Thank God you don’t run the world.

    You know what they call people who want all-powerful governments with those powers? Fascists, which is exactly what you are. Or, if you prefer, you can skip the interim step of confiscation of private property and go straight to communism, which is the name that you undoubtedly prefer for your brand of politics.
     
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  9. JoeNation
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    Yes, because we haven't seen any damage to the oceans, the glaciers, the coastlines, the coral reefs, and a thousand thousand other environmental problems associated directly with climate change. It's all a left wing hoax just the COVID-19. You people are incapable of learning anything.
     
  10. JohnHamilton
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    And these is no evidence that your socialist policies would change any of that.
     
  11. JoeNation
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    However, there IS plenty of evidence that your beloved Capitalism created that problem. Mic drop.
     
  12. JohnHamilton
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    Then how can you explain that your beloved Communist China is still the biggest carbon polluter on the the planet?

    Now that's funny. Nobody believes you. Get over yourself. You are just a far left loon.
     
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