When Did This Stop Making Sense??

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mopar Dude, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

  2. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Because a people, any people, are more than just the economy in which they reside. Think about the guy that wakes up in the middle of the night and opens his bedroom door to see the rest of the house engulfed in flames. He closes the door, climbs back in bed, and goes back to sleep because, well, the fire isn't in his room. What are his realistic prospects of seeing the sun rise the next morning?

    Moreover, the economy doesn't hinge on Trump. As I've said before, we are more or less living in the economy Obama handed off to Trump after 8 years of rebuilding the economy after the disaster Bush handed Obama. Does this mean that the economy won't contract at some point? It always does eventually and we tend to blame everyone else we don't support politically for that drop.

    I doubt Pence, Pelosi, Biden, Warren or anyone else could prevent the ups and downs of the cycle of the economy and I sure as heck don't believe that Trump knows anything about the economy. There will be an economic contraction this year or next but excusing Trump for all of his corruption just because you fear that the economy might dip is really not logical is it?
     
  3. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I like your analogy and yes, that does make good sound sense to me.... I would also concede that Obama was handed quite the mess and did work to turn that around. But here is where it goes off the track with me. The economy does hinge on a number of factors. And in my view (not a factual statement)..... In my view confidence is the economy's biggest driver. And the markets have shown incredible levels of confidence in Mr. Trump..... That fellow that goes back to bed when the rest of his house is on fire just may want to stay there if he is out of work.
     
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  4. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    Here is a little bit about the actual factors that drive the economy and Trump nor any other president make an appearance.

    What Drives Our Economy?
    By Harry Dent - July 29, 2013

    As people who follow our books and newsletters know, we have a very different view of what actually drives our economy.

    We believe the key driver is new generations doing predictable things as they age.

    When we’re young, we drive innovation and inflation. After all, it’s expensive to raise kids and incorporate them into the workforce. As we age and raise families, we drive massive increases in productivity, income and spending. Then, as kids leave home, and retirement (and death) looms, we save and downsize.

    In short: Government policies don’t drive the economic train. They’re simply conductors on the coaches. They’re reactive.

    Governments raise interest rates when the economy or inflation overheats. They lower rates and run deficits to offset a slowing economy. It’s what they’ve done for the last several years.

    When real financial crises or emergencies strike, they go one step further: They print money and inject it into the financial system to create liquidity for banks, and they lower interest rates for long-term loans to boost the private sector.

    These Keynesian policies, which have become the norm since the 1970s’ recessions, have given governments and central banks the illusion they can run and regulate the economy like a machine.

    This may just be the greatest mistake and misperception in economic history!

    Where it Goes Wrong
    Organic entities, like the human body or the economy, are not regulate-able like a machine or motor (or another inorganic object). You can run a motor continuously at a certain speed or output. You can manipulate inputs and controls to change speed or power. That’s how machines are designed. But complex, interactive, organic processes follow their own course, depending on their needs.

    Our bodies need sleep. We need to inhale and exhale. Eat and eliminate. If you doubt that then avoid sleep for several consecutive nights and see how long, and how well, you function.

    In the same way, our economy needs to grow and expand, then slow and rebalance, like inhaling and exhaling. Just like our waking and sleeping patterns, where we tend to be awake and functioning two-thirds of the time and asleep one-third of the time, our economy tends to grow two-thirds of the time and then slow for maintenance and repair, debt deleveraging, cost-cutting and consolidation for the remaining one-third.

    Forcing the economy to grow and function without that rest period is like depriving the body of sleep. It can only lead to chaos, insanity… and eventually death.

    A look back, provides evidence to support this view.

    Our last boom, prior to the ’80s, was from early 1942 into late 1968. Then we declined into late 1982. That formed a cycle of 27 years of growth and 14 years of decline (two-thirds up-time and one-third downtime.)

    Economists, who have rarely run businesses (or likely had any sex, in my opinion), not only don’t understand the demographic dynamics that create innovation, growth and slowing in natural cycles, they don’t comprehend that our greatest innovations come in the very slowdowns that create challenges and force consolidation, cost-cutting and new breakthroughs.

    Then those new innovations are adopted progressively in the next boom until the economy is saturated and growth naturally slows down again. The same occurs with demographic waves of boom and bust, alternating between innovation and growth.

    Businesses and consumers only become more complacent, inefficient and indebted during the good times. That’s why we need the shakeup.

    My point is this: If we don’t allow the economy to move through its natural cycles of growth and slowing, innovation and adoption, investment and deleveraging, then the very innovation that drives progress will wind down and lethargy will overcome us.

    We need to slow and deleverage for several years. That’s when we can eliminate massive amounts of debt, force consolidation in business and government, become more efficient, and create new innovations to spur long-term growth and productivity.

    And despite all central bank efforts to keep us operating, like a crack addict jacked up to a cocaine IV, the time will come when we’ll just crash. When the economy can no longer stand up under the ever accumulating debt. When we’ll simply collapse from sheer exhaustion.

    We see that happening in the months and years ahead.

    Start preparing now.
     
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  5. JoeNation
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    JoeNation The ReichWing Abuser

    I'd say consumer confidence is a far bigger factor in the economy than any faith in any president. Here is a graph of CCI from the beginning of 2017 through the end of 2019.

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