The Origins of the Coronavirus

Looks like former POTUS Trump was dead right about the origins of the coronavirus.

It's a shame that history will be rewritten by those who hate everything about the man. I don't like him much, but he does deserve credit for those things he got right.

 

1. That article says nothing conclusively. I still find the natural spread far more likely.

2. If he was right, so what? The big story is really how he attempted to shift focus to the initial cause rather than his inept response. Once it's out, it doesn't much matter what started it.

 

dolt

"In the end, however, Rogin acknowledges that there is still no concrete evidence that the novel coronavirus came from the Wuhan lab -- although the circumstantial evidence surrounding the disease's initial outbreak is enough to warrant further investigation."

https://www.rawstory.com/blockbuste...evelations-about-potential-true-origin-of-19/

"In the end, however, Rogin acknowledges that there is still no concrete
evidence that the novel coronavirus came from the Wuhan lab"

In other words... Never mind!

 

No, not conclusively, but it makes the case of a laboratory release far less speculative than it was considered by Trump's political opposition for all of the past year. In fact, I find the laboratory release even more plausible given the obvious insecurities the "Bat Woman" had over the possibility that she may have released the virus in the laboratory.

Yes, his response to the virus wasn't all that it could have been. In attempting to avert widespread panic and hoarding, he overplayed the part of the unconcerned leader. That undermined the level of caution that many Americans might otherwise have exercised, but we still have a lot to thank him for.

Seemingly, the entire medical research and development community never really embraced his goal of delivering a vaccine in months rather than years, nay-saying and dragging their feet at every media opportunity. They had to be cajoled into committing to the aggressive timeline.

With admirable project management and drive, the resources of a multitude of other public and private concerns were marshaled and coordinated to furnish treatment centers with supplies and equipment and to prepare for the eventual controlled distribution of the forthcoming vaccine. Then when the vaccine was distributed to the states, coincidentally delayed one full month by a liberal-stacked reviewing board until the election matter had passed, the states fell flat on their faces, despite his Aministration's September preparatory instructions to the States to develop their internal distribution programs.

No, he wasn't perfect, but he wasn't as bad as you try to sell either.

 

he lied about the whole thing. how deadly it was, he himself almost died from it and then he got vaccinated in secret. he also tried to take the credit for the vaccine. yeah, great guy.

 

Don't twist my words. I didn't call him a great guy. I never have . . . not even once. I just don't get all sensational and extremist like you guys do.

Bring a more pragmatic perspective to the table, and you'll see there's value in some of the things the guy did.

 

name them

 

Regarding COVID alone, I've already written about them above, but your failure to internalize what I've posted has revealed your knee-jerk tendencies once again.

 

"With admirable project management and drive"


hahahahahahaha!!!

 

Another hit and run by the One-Line Wonder . . .

 

It's not like Trump did the research himself. What he did was actually report the information given to him accurately.

For that I'll give him a teensy bit of credit as it was certainly not the norm for him.

He put on his big boy pants on for a minute as it were. Of course it was also a great chance to make China the villain which it seems they deserved.

From that point on he was his usual lying sack of feces and now over 1/2 million are dead.

There's no rewriting of history here.

Trump is pure garbage and deserves to go down in history as such.

THE END

 

Trump admits to downplaying coronavirus threat in audio recordings - YouTube

 

Not sure what you’re laughing at BasementBoy.

Without Trump’s insistent pressing for accelerated development of multiple vaccines, we’d probably still be waiting on the first.

 

See, this point always confused me. Do you think every capable pharmaceutical company on earth wasn't already working on it? There's several vaccines that work just as well as ones we funded the development of that are also available currently.

 

The only pharma company developing vaccine that I'm aware of which did not accept federal funds from the US for vaccine development was Pfizer, and they did not accept development funds from any concerned party because they wanted to develop the vaccine unfettered by a development contract. Still, they were given a serious incentive, by way of a substantial $2B vaccine production contract.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/nov/19/pfizer-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-and-operation-war/

 

Just ones currently being used in patients around the world:
Pfizer
Sputnik V
Sinopharm
Sinovac
CanSino
Bharat
EpiVac
ZF2001
CoviVac

That's not even mentioning most of the companies (Pfizer for example) had already developed the vaccine and started early clinical trials in March 2020, as we were still being told it was "just a flu"

 

I fail to see your point.

Warp Speed incentivized the development of every COVID vaccine approved for use in the United States, and directly funded the development by two of the three, the manufacturer of the third declining that offer.

 

The point is, it's disingenuous for people to keep saying we wouldn't have had the vaccine for years without Trump. It's already all over the world without his help.

I suppose it's bothered me that he keeps trying to take personal credit for a world effort. Especially because he basically did the bare minimum. What was he going to do instead, not fund a vaccine while every other country in the world does?

 

No, it's not.

You, of all members here on PL, should fully appreciate the resources it required to fully vet candidate vaccines for use here in the US. That was the challenge, and that's the very reason so few have managed to obtain approval here in the States, let alone even attempt it. The bar was set much lower for the other producers, and the US market was not realistically in their crosshairs . . . hopefully perhaps, but not realistically.

Pfizer aside, most of the other listed vaccines have issues of one kind or another . . .

Sputnik V - Risky skipping of test protocols / insufficient availability
Sinopharm - Least safe vaccine with many side effects
Sinovac - Serious side effects and suspected falsification of claimed efficacy
CanSino - No apparent problems
Covaxin (Bharat) - Significant limitations on who may be given this vaccine
EpiVac - Suspected adverse clotting of blood, as yet unproven
ZF2001 - Requires 3 doses, and many patients may not complete the regimen
CoviVac - This has not gone through all of its trials yet

Yes, they are all over the world, and likely not doing their customers quite the same favors that the few qualified vaccines are here in the States.

A World effort? I don't think so . . . all of these companies had incentive to race to the finish line, but not according to our rules . . . and that's the critical difference. Most of those listed above had no intention of satisfying the requirements of the FDA. Only a select few did, and those were the ones Trump and his administration engaged in their efforts.


What was disingenuous was the liberal media not getting behind Trump and Company, and helping things along.

 

I'm not totally sold, for 2 reasons.

Before Johnson/Johnson and Moderna saw any money for development, they'd already fully developed and we testing in humans the current vaccine.

Also, we lowered the bar quite a bit ourselves. That's at least part of the reason we have people refusing to take it.

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On a positive note, part of the reason Moderna and Pfizer were done so quickly and easily is they used an mRNA vaccine. A type we've been studying and believed to work since the early 90s. Having never tried it in humans before though (and traditional vaccines working fine) its initiation into our vaccine repertoire required an emergency.

The cool part is vaccines are now easier than ever to make if we continue to allow the use of this technology. There's already vaccines being tested for HIV, some viral induced cancers, and even influenza could be eradicated in a few years. Get ready for a lot more shots! I heard a virologist describe the introduction of mRNA vaccines as being as impactful to virology as WWII was to physics.