The fight to repeal and replace the American Care Act

Discussion in 'Politics' started by GeneWright, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    So, I've got a question for the conservatives here. Literally since it was made law 10 years ago, Republicans have been vowing to "repeal and replace" the ACA.

    Why is it that no Republicans have used the last decade to draft a replacement plan? Instead opting to chip away at the ACA protections. You'd think they could come up with something in that time. Today at a press meeting, Trump "revealed" his long awaited health care plan, which was essentially to order Congress to come up with a healthcare plan.

    Mainly I'm asking for your take on the situation, and if you believe it should be repealed and replaced, just repealed, or left alone? If you would support replacing it, what kind of system would you advocate for?
  2. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    The ACA was almost devastating to me. I provide health insurance for my staff. I have said here before that my monthly premiums are triple what they were prior to the ACA. It is a 120k annual expense for me now. In fact the very next year after the ACA I had a 50% increase in premiums. In my personal view I believe the ACA took away the competition that exists in a free market. I had two choices. Stop funding employee health care or increase my revenues to cover it. I chose to keep the benefit in place so in effect, the cost went on to my customers.

    Yes, I did expect this monstrosity to be dispensed with four years ago. Yes, I am very disappointed that it has been allowed to languish. Yes, it has been my personal largest disappointment of the previous four years.
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  3. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    To those of you who are preying from Single Payer Health Care, I will relate my latest experience with the government bureaucracy.

    I have been on Medicare for six years and never had a problem. A couple of weeks ago I went to my local super market pharmacy to get a flu shot. My Medicare card bounced because the pharmacist said that the name did not match. I was named after my father, and “Jr.” appears in some places and not another in the seven or eight files of Medicare and Social Security records. So, it was no flu shot for me.

    My wife and I tried to get this fixed. After spending over an hour on hold and discussing the issue, we were told that the records would be fixed in about a week. After the week we tried again. Once more the card bounced.

    We called the government again. This time the “hold period” was to be over an hour. We chose to have them call us back, which, to their credit they did. After further discussions it now appears that we have to write to the Social Security people to get this resolved. I still can’t get the flu shot. Fortunately, I have will see my primary care physician next week, and will get it then.

    Two points. First, if this had been private insurance, I am sure that I could have made a call and gotten this fixed quickly. Instead I have dealing the huge, inefficient government, maned by civil servants who could care less.

    Second, I am sure that am the only “Jr.” on the government roles and that this is an unusual situation. If you can’t spot my sarcasm, I am pointing out to you now.

    Do you really want to turn all of your health care over to this mess? Those of you are young and have never come against the government beast, should take this warning to heart before you jump into “Single Payer.” Government is not a paragon of efficiency. In fact, it is quite the opposite. It is a huge bureaucracy that is poorly run and, in my case, not sensitive to its customers’ needs. Turning your life over it is a grave mistake.
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  4. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    The lack of English skills continues to amaze me. Such an educated individual.

  5. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I hear you, but I assure you dealing with the private companies is no walk in the park either. It's also not like most people actually have a choice in their healthcare as it stands. If I'm dissatisfied, I can't move to a new provider without changing my job. Even then, most states have a limited monopoly run by healthcare providers. So the vast majority of jobs in a given state will use different deals from the same insurance company.
  6. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    I don't want my healthcare provided to me by my employer. Implement single payer
  7. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Side note, I also love this because of how it would empower labor unions. The biggest fight they constantly face is lobbying for better healthcare plans. Once that chip is off the table for employers, they would have substantially more flexible negotiating power.
  8. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    That shows how stupid and naive you are are. Go ask the veterans who could not get health care from the VA. I know you don’t give a shit because you are a vegan who will never get sick. If you believe that, you are a fool.
  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    you sound bitter and miserable. probably because of your diet.
  10. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    The VA is the most effective argument against single payer. And yes, if I had a father or mother who died because the VA bureaucracy denied them coverage, I would be damned bitter, but a political puppet like you doesn’t care about that. For you socialism is the ultimate goal.

    The fact that it doesn’t work doesn’t matter. Your little professors told you it was right. You respond to chips they installed in your head.
  11. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    the current system "doesn't work" for most people. You could clearly use some mental health care.
  12. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    How do you know? You are a vegan who needs no health care. I didn’t need much health care when I was in my 20s.
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  13. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    For starters, a good ~13% of Americans aren't even part of the current system, in that they don't have insurance of any kind. Thats about. 1 in 8 Americans. Around 3 in 10 are in medical bill debt too.


  14. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    most health problems are self induced by bad lifestyle choices and laziness. people who eat bad and whine about vegans' having good health are just jealous I guess

    In recent decades, life style as an important factor of health is more interested by researchers. According to WHO, 60% of related factors to individual health and quality of life are correlated to lifestyle

    Nutrition and Health Are Closely Related
    Over the past century, essential nutrient deficiencies have dramatically decreased, many infectious diseases have been conquered, and the majority of the U.S. population can now anticipate a long and productive life. However, as infectious disease rates have dropped, the rates of noncommunicable diseases—specifically, chronic diet-related diseases—have risen, due in part to changes in lifestyle behaviors. A history of poor eating and physical activity patterns have a cumulative effect and have contributed to significant nutrition- and physical activity-related health challenges that now face the U.S. population. About half of all American adults—117 million individuals—have one or more preventable chronic diseases, many of which are related to poor quality eating patterns and physical inactivity. These include cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, some cancers, and poor bone health. More than two-thirds of adults and nearly one-third of children and youth are overweight or obese. These high rates of overweight and obesity and chronic disease have persisted for more than two decades and come not only with increased health risks, but also at high cost. In 2008, the medical costs associated with obesity were estimated to be $147 billion. In 2012, the total estimated cost of diagnosed diabetes was $245 billion, including $176 billion in direct medical costs and $69 billion in decreased productivity.[1]
  15. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

  16. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Okay wise guy . . . why don't you make it your first priority to prevent recipients of SNAP from buying junk foods like corn chips, tater tots, ice cream and other staples of an unhealthy diet?
  17. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    why just SNAP, why not Medicare and VA health benefits?
  18. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    My right knee has been bad for years. Arthritis depleted all the cushion. And for Frydaddys sake... The initial damage came from rappelling out of helicopters in the Army. I finished it off by running marathons up into my mid fifties...... Since that is out of the way...... My doctor fully agreed that I required a replacement knee. My insurance (and I have good insurance) demanded a years worth of cortisone injections and therapy before I could get my replacement knee....... We have taken the medical decisions away from those that should be making them. Had I gotten my knee when I needed it, I could have saved the expense of a years of therapy and cortisone..... Unless your pockets are deep enough to pay your health care, the insurance companies dictate the treatment. Yes, the government umbilical needs to be severed. That only adds more burden and red tape to the treatment that we ultimately need.

    I don’t keep up with the statistics that you guys keep up with. But I saw a chart here that said 8% of Americans were uninsured. Yet the comments are that the system doesn’t work for most. I am thinking that the 92% is the most. Is it not?
  19. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    It's most, but I don't think that's enough. 1/8 of Americans by the way, 13% or so
  20. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    The why don't you work in insuring the 13% rather than ripping up the heath insurance for the other 87%?

    Yea, I know. You are a genius, and you know what's best for everyone. That's the socialist way.

    What is the true socialist way is that people who are high up in government, and those who are in their favor, get most of goods while everybody else live like pigs. That's the way is in China, Venezuela and Cuba.

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