The Conspiracy Theory That Made it All The Way To The White House

Discussion in 'Politics' started by JoeNation, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. JoeNation
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    Like the stuff Alex Jones blurts out without anymore evidence than a master burglar would leave at the scene of a crime, conspiracy websites like 4chan disseminate disinformation to a hungry and all-to-willing GOP base. Disinformation is just the new form of what used to be called propaganda and is basically a formula made of one part conspiracy theory, one part internet availability, and one part a susceptible audience of low-information voters.

    The same internet that spreads the misinformation is also the mechanism that can both track down the origins of the misinformation campaigns and serves as cover for the purveyors because it is impossible to know who is who or what their intentions might be on an anonymous medium like the internet. Most people aren't investigative reporters or tech savvy researchers capable of ferreting out truth from fiction so most people rely on trusting or mistrusting a few cherished sources that they rabidly consume and staunchly defend.

    The Hunter Biden Ukraine conspiracy theory is just one small example of the power of these dark web conspiracy theories. You might notice that nobody can say exactly what Hunter Biden, and by extension Joe Biden, is being accused of but that we should investigate "the whole situation" because it smells like corruption. In reality, this conspiracy theory was actually investigated by the intelligence community and found to be completely without any merit whatsoever. They even tracked down the origins of the story and felt like their time and resources had been completely wasted. Another product of these false narratives is that we spend time and resources on fairy tales rather than real issues.

    Trust is another casualty of this type of nonsense. Not knowing who to trust means that you trust along your partisan values which makes you even more susceptible to misinformation because you have no counter balance to weigh your opinions against and it also helps to further divide America along political lines. There is no disputing that this is already occurring more rapidly today than ever before.

    I wish it were only one conspiracy theory that made its all the way to the White House but alas, several have found their home in the head of a president that is incapable of discerning fact from fiction and political narcissism from reason. A wiser man would never have ventured down this dark path and brought his presidency to the brink of collapse. He is ensnared in the trap of his own inadequacies and we are left to preform the vivisection on the beast that we let into the house. Like it or not, we've just run up against the realities of a society with free speech and the limits we have to consider going forward. If it can be used to destroy us, what good is unfettered free speech in the end?
     
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  2. CoinBlazer

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    Lol 4Chan? Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day. I have a significant association with such internet group.
     
  3. JoeNation
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    Indeed...

    4chan.org is an imageboard modeled on popular Japanese imageboard 2chan (Futaba Channel[​IMG]) and was initially intended for anime discussion. However, 4chan's anonymous and ephemeral nature soon made it into chaotic and influential hub of Internet culture that has produced innumerable memes, pranks, raids, and controversies. 4chan created the Anonymous meme, spread the shitfest known as Gamergate, enabled the alt-right movement, and aided numerous other right-wing troll campaigns.
     
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  4. CoinBlazer

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    Yeah, I've heard of them of course (what teenager hasnt?) but I was joking about any association. my favorite 4Chan moment was the Capture the Flag game with Shia Lebeouf
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/leftist-shia-labeoufs-he-will-not-divide-us-global-emily-zanotti
     
  5. JohnHamilton
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    If what you have written is true, why aren't your Democrat friends making a big deal of this? It would totally exonerate Biden and his son and would throw more onus back on Trump. Yet, I have yet to hear or read a story in the media when they have jumped to Biden’s defense. Instead it is all offence against Trump. Once more you have nothing.
     
  6. JoeNation
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    There are literally countless stories online and I'm sure on cable news about this Biden conspiracy theory being debunked. Not on Fox though.
     
  7. JohnHamilton
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    Why don’t you man up and run a candidate for president on the REAL issues? You should talk about how you guys want socialism for the whole country. Heck, the leader of your party, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez has told that she will give welfare benefits to illegal aliens, and ALL of your presidential candidates have told us they will give them FREE HEALTH CARE. They all raised their hand when they were asked the question.

    You should tell about all the free stuff WE are going to get, not just the illegal aliens. And aside from Bernie Sanders, most of your guys don't have to courage to tell us you going to raise middle class taxes to pay for it.

    No, you are going to do away with all of those nasty billionaires instead, except maybe George Soros and Tom Stier. Those two guys get it. It’s capitalism for them and socialism for all the “dumb, dirty little people” who don’t agree with their social engineering. Yep, if we take everything the other billionaires have got, there will be plenty of resources to run the socialist utopia.

    Alexandria Ocasio Cortez will be happy. No more mid-city heliports for billionaires. Of course, there won’t even be any more helicopters unless they are solar driven.

    Now that’s what you Democratic-Socialists should be emphasizing instead following the lead of the modern Joe McCarthy, Adam Shiff.

    But perhaps this socialism thing is too hard a sell. Is that your problem Joe?
     
  8. JoeNation
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    I guess because Right-wing sophistry would be a bad platform for the Democratic Party. How would that even go? "Hey Democrats, let's take the Republicans bullshit talking points and make those our issues."

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  9. JohnHamilton
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    "Sophistry ... Now there is really great word, Joe ... it means subtly fallacious reasoning.

    The trouble is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and the Democratic candidates from president have said everything that I wrote up there. Those statements are their public positions. So, there is nothing “fallacious” about it.

    You probably agree with every position they have taken. Correct me if I’m wrong about that, Joe.
     
  10. JoeNation
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    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    So if they are their "public positions" and not just your spin on their positions, post them. A public position is a formal decoration of a support for a given issue. Please support your supposition with something other than your own opinions and biases and of course the talking points you just heard on Fox. If I had any interest at all in what you think, I would just turn the channel and watch Fox without having to respond to you at all.

    The problem with you is that you only get reinforcement for your already held implacable partisan beliefs by going to war with anyone that believes differently than you do. No matter the evidence, the reality, the persuasiveness of the perceived enemy, your resolve is strengthened merely by the fact that the person believes differently than you do. You will even go as far as telling yourself that a non-answer to your sophistry is just further proof of the infallibility of your own beliefs. I've met many, many people just like you in chat rooms and they are all the same. They simply come to argue so that they can feel vindicated about their own close-minded petulance.

    I will not play a part in that silly dance with you or anyone else. If you need to feel good about yourself for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend, find someone else. I like the people that are willing to discuss issues without name calling, labeling, accusations, and that have the confidence of their opinions not to require a foil to sustain them. You have utterly failed in all respects in that regard.
     
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  11. JohnHamilton
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    Weak, inadequate response, Joe.

    I lister to and read the news. I know what these people have said and what their positions are. Either get some balls and support you socialist / Communist position or take the heat.

    Why is it so hard for you to justify the positions the people in your party take? Could be that you know you have a weak hand and you have to take the "hate Trump" postion because you have nothing else?

    As a confirmed Communist, you should able to defend your position with something better than "Capitalism is all about greed." That might work in school with the teachers and professors who are programing you, but it does not work with adults who have studied the issues, the news and quite a bit of history.
     
  12. JoeNation
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    And the name calling is all he has. How special.
     
  13. JohnHamilton
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    Name calling? What would you prefer to be called, a socialist or a communist? We have already had the argument about whether or not the Constitution would allow the Congress and the president to pass laws that would make this country into a “socialist republic.” Your position was that that the Constitution gives the right for the state to seize private property in order to form the socialist or communist state, whichever term you prefer to use.

    You are on record here of supporting state seizure of private property. If I am wrong, then you may set the record straight.

    I threw up a faux white flag to appease you. You, of course missed the sarcasm, thinking that you had won.

    The answer is in the 4th Amendment:

    “The right of the people to secure in the persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and not warrants shall issue but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be search, and person or things to be seized.”

    Unless the courts are stacked with the likes of Elena Kagin, Sonia Sotomayor and perhaps Ruth Bada Ginsburg, there would be a lot of successful law suits against that. I am giving Ms. Bada Ginsburg the benefit of the doubt because of her ACLU background. There have been times when the ALCU has come down in favor of the cause of human rights and freedom.
     
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  14. Recusant
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    The mythical "DNC server" that supposedly exists and is being held in Ukraine is unquestionably a figment of the imaginations of various denizens of the right wing fever swamp. This is only one of the most recent conspiracy theories that have gained traction with Trump and been amplified by him.
     
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  15. JohnHamilton
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    “The server” in question is the one Hillary was using for her government and private affairs. This was the one that was illegal because she had sensitive government information on it. She wiped the memory and physically destroyed devices that were connected with it. This is not a “server in the Ukraine.”

    If this concerned the real DNC server, it was my understanding that the Russians did hack that one. Russian interference in our elections is a bi-partisan issue.
     
  16. Recusant
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    Unfortunately Trump isn't privy to your insight.

    "Trump mentioned a wild conspiracy theory about the DNC and the Russia probe in his phone call with Ukraine's president" | Business Insider

    There was no "the real DNC server" in the singular. The article linked above makes that clear. This information has been freely available for a couple of years now, and it's amazing that Trump isn't aware of it.
     
  17. JohnHamilton
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    Yes it is, isn't it. ;)

    It truly amazes me how you people continue to defend Hillary Clinton. She is a totally corrupt politician who has always been in this for herself. She has no vision other a desire to grab power, wealth and glorification for herself.

    She was quite easily the worst major party presidential candidate in at least a century, and probably in the history of The United States. She really had nothing to offer on any level. Poor old, crazy Horace Greely in 1872 and James G. Blaine in 1884 are only two to come close to her in ineptitude.


    Greely, "The old farmer"
    Greeley lost his mind about three weeks after the election and soon died in an insane asylum.

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    Blain, "The plumed knight"
    Blain took money from the railroads in an age when they were the leading growth and “high tech” industry. It probably cost him the 1880 Republican presidential nomination and was a significant factor in his loss in 1884. Blain was the 19th century "Mr. Republican." The party bosses and failful loved him, but the rest of the contry was not as enamored.

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  18. Recusant
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    Do you agree that Trump is pushing a long-debunked conspiracy theory about a mythical "DNC server"?

    You're the one who brought up Clinton, not I. Given that you don't know me from Adam, categorising me as an example of "you people" is nothing but flailing in the dark and completely irrelevant to the actual topic of this thread, as is the rest of your post.
     
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  19. JoeNation
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    SQUIRREL!

    The Clinton squirrel diversion.
     
  20. Recusant
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    Further conspiracy theory propagated by the Trumpists: It wasn't Russia that interfered in the 2016 election, it was Ukraine!

    "Vindman Exposes Trump's 'False Narrative'" | The Editorial Board

     

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