Speculation about the Second American Civil War

Discussion in 'Politics' started by CoinBlazer, Nov 22, 2019.

  1. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    I speculate this with the hopes and prayers my theories never come true but my concern is that if a radical democrats who have openly considered themselves socialists, and perhaps even communists, gain power, that the right winged conservatives may have a tendency to use force to resist or defend against such extreme changes such as Medicare for All or the notorious Green New Deal, I'm not arguing about the correctness or incorrectness of either side, just making a doomsday theory here.

    Right winged conservatives have generally been the more gung-ho anti government type, with conservatives supporting the 2nd Amendment and sometimes threatening to use it against the government when they feel their rights have been violated. So what do I think will happen?

    Radical right winged militias will start, by force attempting to overpower major metropolis areas that they feel are the holds of democrat power. NYC, DC, LA and others. The National Guard of Each State would have to intervene, unless those National Guardsmen hold their political beliefs above the rule of law. I won't comment whether violation of the office of service is justified or not in this.

    In conclusion, I am genuinely concerned that the radical policies of the Democrats may spark radical pushpack from the middle class conservatives that feel their rights are being trampled upon. So help us God.
     
  2. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Active Member

    One thing that years will show you, CB.... Is that the natural checks and balances that our forefathers were so forward thinking in the creation of our nation, is that the absolute radicals that make the most noise are not handed the absolute power necessary to create destructible trouble. You hear about them because they make the best news. But think about it. For 243 this nation has been pretty middle of the road. Yes, we have veered left and right along the way.... But our pathway has for the most part been a straight one. Always remember, the news is selling you a product so it is in their best interest to keep your attention riveted on the most noisy, worrisome and radical personalities that can keep you interested enough to "stay tuned". But I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you. We survived the previous eight years and did just fine.
     
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  3. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    But this election cycle I feel is different, blatant admittance of their radical socialist ideology. Its dangerous!
     
  4. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    I have to give you the longer perspective. FDR was called a radical Socialist when he championed Social Security. Truman was called a Socialist for his Fair Deal Proposal. Johnson was called a Socialist for Medicare. It is just the Republican scare tactic that tends to work on some low information voters. Republicans have been using this boogieman for 90 years because it works. Unions were Socialist. Minimum wages proponents were Socialists. It's always the same. You'll get used to it.

    BTW if you like paid overtime, a 40-hour work week, vacation and sick time, and a multitude of other worker benefits you take for granted, they were brought to you by "Socialists". And it doesn't matter which Democrat wins the nomination, they will be called a Socialist.

    Guess how old these are?

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  5. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    The narrative has changed however, Socialist used to be an insult! Now its a battle cry!
     
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  6. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Active Member

    You are wise beyond your years, Coinblazer.
     
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  7. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Can you provide an example of this "battle cry" not supplied by the Right?
     
  8. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Active Member

    Joe it is a generational thing. There is a whole litany of things that were shameful to our generation that are part of the younger generations value system. A couple of things that come to mind that would have struck us as shameful when we were young that are now accepted as mantles of honor:
    • Government assistance
    • Being gay
    • Public disrespect
    I could go on. But we have raised a generation that has been handed far too much simply because we as a society are blessed with too much. The unintended consequence is that the value system that applies to young folks these days doesn’t even loosely resemble the value system of previous generations. I am quite confident that Coinblazer has many peers in his generation that consider socialism as a utopian vision.
     
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  9. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    I can't think of one generation that didn't look down on the next generation for lacking in some characteristic that the older generation held in high regard. Values change over time as a consequence of progress and innovation and countless other intangibles. It's natural and unavoidable. The younger generation embraces change while the older generation fears it. "The good old days" is a bygone era that isn't, and has never, and will never, come back, but that doesn't seem to ever stop people from longing for yesterday and then judging the next generation for racing away and leaving their parents in the dust.

    If I could say one thing to the know-it-alls of the last generation, of which I am a part, it would be to let go, feel free to reminisce, and get the hell out of the way of those people that will shape their own future. Your day is spent.
     
  10. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    I'm gonna have to bash at my own age group here. I really can't think of anything that my typical person of my age does or is doing better than the previous generations.
     
  11. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Let's see. Off the top of my head.
    1. Computers
    2. Cell phones
    3. Technology in general
    4. Gender fluidity
    5. Less bigotry and racism
    6. Multitasking
    7. Environmental concerns
    8. Using social media
    9. They adapt to change better
    10. Apps
     
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  12. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Active Member

    Check and mate.... Joe got you on that one, CB!
     
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  13. JohnHamilton
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    First of all, there is no chance that a group of right-wing militia guys could pull off a coup in the United States. The Federal Government is simply too strong. They might be able to be a pain the in the butt with some gruella activity off in the hills somewhere, but for the most part they would be crushed.

    The only way that a successful coup could be staged against the government would be if the substantial portion of the military turned on the civilian authorities. Aside from the Civil War, that has never happened here, and I would hope that it would not happen during my lifetime.

    As for a socialist winning the presidency, the most honest and radical of them all is Bernie Sanders. He will never get the Democratic Party presidential nomination. Aside from the age issue, you can’t be an “Independent” all of your life, switch to Democrat in 2016, go back to “Independent” after the primaries and then expect to become a Democrat in 2020 and grab the party’s top prize. That does not sit well with a majority of Democrats.

    The only other radical that has come into the race so far is Elizabeth Warren. Her proposals to take most of the wealth and income from the richest people in America is not going to fly. The establishment will not put up with it. She too will be put down before the convention. If she pulls a “McGovern miracle,” she will end up the way he did … badly defeated. I don’t see a major uprising occurring yet because the far left is not strong enough to seize power.

    Aside from the Civil War, the closest we came to another uprising was in 1876. Without going into a lot of details, the Republicans engineered a theft of the presidential election that year. They circumvented the raw vote counts in four southern states and engineered the election of Rutherford B. Hays in a by-pass of the constitution.

    There was talk of armed rebellion on behalf of the Democratic candidate, Samuel J. Tilden, but he opposed such an action. Hays also removed the occupying troops from the southern states, which was more than likely part of the deal. That left the recently freed, African-Americans subject to Jim Crow laws, which would be in-force for the next 90 years.
     
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  14. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    1,2,3,8,9 all seem to be things that are leading to the FDA and APA to consider concerns for technology addiction and have led to issues all within themselves. 4,5,7,9 I think I can give you those ones.
     
  15. JoeNation
    Angelic

    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    But even you have admitted that you are a heck of a good hacker. :)
     
  16. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer de omnibus dubitandum

    I refer my claim to the average teenager, most teenagers couldn't hack their way out of a paper bag
     
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  17. JohnHamilton
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    The Social Security button is from sometime in the mid 1930s, after 1933 when FDR took office. I’ve been collecting political items for almost 40 years, and I have not seen it in person, offered for sale or in an auction catalog or fixed price offering. Most political items are attributed to a presidential candidate. These would have to be connected with the 1936 Landon campaign if they are presidential items. The second one might be a 1964 Goldwater piece, but I have not seen either.

    “Cause” buttons are another category, and there has never been a collector guide written for them to my knowledge. Today the most often cause buttons concern the Vietnam War.
     

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