Mayor Pete

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mopar Dude, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Active Member

    This is an honest question as I truly harbor no judgment..... The fellow is affable enough. But is mainstream America prepared to accept an openly gay President? I’ll frame this another way. If Mr. Obama ran for president in the 1970’s I believe he would have been soundly defeated because segregation issues were still fresh on older more mainstream voters minds at the time..... I think that by and large being gay is becoming more of a non-issue. But are mainstream voters prepared to be accepting of an openly gay president in 2020?
     
  2. JohnHamilton
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    My wife and I have discussed the same question.

    I don't have a problem with gay people serving as House members and Senators as long their private life does not spill over into the way they conduct their public office. This applies to straight people as well. I would vote for a gay candidate if I agreed with his views. Richard Grenell, who is our ambassador to Germany, is gay. I greatly admire him, and I’d vote for him to be a Senator or Representative in a heartbeat.

    I have some reservations about the presidency, however. My main concern is how we will be able to deal with friendly Muslim states given their religious opposition to homosexuality. Even for those states which accept homosexuality on the surface, could it have an affect on how they treat us if there were “a first gentleman” instead of a “first lady?” This is a relevant concern.

    Historically, there probably was one gay president, James Buchanan. He was a failure, but his sexual orientation was not the cause. He chose to the do the bidding of the southern slaveholders, and that was a major part of his undoing.

    I think that Mr. Buttigieg is going to have hard time winning the general election. He is currently polling close to zero among African-American voters, and their vote is vital for a Democratic candidate. The dirty little secret is that many African-Americans hold conservative religious beliefs, and they are not comfortable with homosexuality.

    It might be that Mr. Buttigieg is really running for the second spot on the ticket. That might be totally off-base, but given his lack of experience, it might be that he wanted to do what Geraldine Ferraro did.
     
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  3. Mopar Dude

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    This has always been my concern with the possibility of having a female president. I fear it would make us appear weak in the eyes of Muslim extremists potentially making them feel at ease to commit future acts of terror against our nation.
     
  4. JohnHamilton
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    I think that a female president would fair better with the Muslim states than a gay president would. Muslim countries (for example Pakistan) have had female leaders. It did not work out well in that case, but she was elected. There could be room for a female leader to succeed with them. With a gay leader, it could be a lot harder.
     
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  5. JoeNation
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    All I can say is not doing something based on the fear of how bigoted people or cultures might react only allows their bigotry to triumph. That is social justice 101.

    The suffragette movement, the civil rights movement, the gay pride movement inevitably drew condemnation from traditional sectors of society but won out by not giving into intimidation and prejudice. As it turned out, the misogynists, the racists, and the homophobic voices were on the wrong side of history as they always are. Transgender people are facing the same hurtles today and they will win as well. The only thing these backwards voices ever accomplish is temporarily impeding progress and making themselves irrelevant in the end.

    Besides being gay, Pete was a Naval Intelligence Officer, a Lieutenant deployed in Afghanistan where he was awarded the Joint Service Commendation Medal, a Harvard graduate, a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, and the youngest elected Mayor of South Bend Indiana.

    Is America ready for a guy with those credentials?
     
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  6. JohnHamilton
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    Pete Buttigieg needs to have more experience before he runs for President of the United States. He’s only been the mayor of a small city, and there have been some issues raised there about his tenure from some of the African-American citizens.

    As for the Muslims and gay people, good luck with changing their religious based attitudes. You are up against more than 1,000 years of religious teaching which is harder to break than simple race hatred. When you get Allah involved, it’s hard to change people’s minds.

    Right now, the Democrats are desperate to find someone, ANYONE other than Sanders. Their leadership in Washington sucks, and big part of their constituency is infected with the socialist / communist virus.

    I don’t blame the Democrat establishment for wanting to stop Sanders. Four years ago he switched from the Independent label and ran for the highest honor a political party can give to one its members. After that process was over, Sanders had the gull to say that he was going back to the Independent label. If I were a loyal Democrat, I’d tell him to hit the road. Most party members don’t want a political gadfly as their presidential nominee.
     
  7. JoeNation
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    What experience did Donald Trump have? No political experience, no military experience, no foreign policy experience, ... Wait, I'm beginning to see your point.
     
  8. JohnHamilton
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    Trump ran his own, very large business and also had extensive experience with speech making. acting and thinking on his feet.

    One of Ronald Reagan's major advantages was that he was "the great communicator." I know you don’t care for either of those presidents had to say, but it’s huge advantage. It’s one of the main reasons why Biden is in the political dog house today. He kept falling over his tongue.
     
  9. JoeNation
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    JoeNation FOX Lies, GOP buys!

    Hum, Trump filed for bankruptcy 4 times, I'm not sure what speeches you are referring to nor why speech making is some type of qualification, and "acting"? I won't even touch his "thinking on his feet". He says the most unbelievably stupid things in front of a microphone of any public official at any level.

    Now, I'm not saying that I support Buttigieg or any other candidate right now but his credentials far outweigh anything Trump has done in his entire life. And Buttigieg is only 38.
     

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