Mail-in voting

Discussion in 'Politics' started by GeneWright, May 20, 2020.

  1. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    I don't either. He is on my permanent ignore list. He has nothing of substance to add to any issue. He is an Internet member of ANTIFA.
  2. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    Because you're both cowards that can't out debate people that have truth on their side.
  3. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Something something blocking dissenting opinions... something something socialism...
  4. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I'm like 99% sure that's how it works everywhere. I voted in my primary by mail but I was never sent a ballot unsolicited. What they do send out is applications which you must sign and provide proof of identity (drivers license number, last 4 of social, etc.)

    Even that they won't send out unless you've already registered to vote. So, secure? As far as I know nobody is sending out blank ballots en masse, but I welcome counter-evidence.
  5. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I've never claimed anyone was sending out blank ballots unsolicited, and I doubt anyone else was either. What I have a problem with is that fraudulent votes can be cast by stealing or borrowing identities, by registering in more than one location, etc.

    I've recounted elsewhere my belief that I personally observed the systematic falsification of new addresses to support registration to vote in more than one location. Since those few weeks I have become extremely cynical about any cracks in the electoral system left open to fraud, no matter how unlikely others think those loopholes might be used.
  6. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    In that post I was specifically referring to @JohnHamilton talking about how his district has secured mail-in voting, arguing that it's just as secure (or insecure, if you prefer) everywhere else in the country.
  7. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I think the mail voting in FL should be eliminated too . . . take it away, across the board for all states, no matter who thinks they've made it fraud-proof.
  8. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    I'm not saying that Republicans won't do everything possible to cheat in some way if mail-in voting is enacted across the country. It's kind of their MO. They blame everyone else for what they themselves are doing. Typical.

    North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud
    July 30, 201910:29 PM ET RICHARD GONZALES


    GOP operative Leslie McCrae Dowless was arrested in February 2017 and charged with illegal ballot handling and obstruction of justice. New charges were filed Tuesday.

    Wake City-County Bureau of Identification via AP

    Prosecutors in North Carolina filed new felony charges against a Republican political operative accused of ballot tampering in a congressional election in 2018.

    Leslie McCrae Dowless was charged Tuesday with two counts of felony obstruction of justice, perjury, solicitation to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal possession of absentee ballots, according to a statement by Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman.

    The charges relate to the tainted 9th congressional district election last year in which Republican Mark Harris led in the unofficial vote tally by a margin of about 900 votes over Democrat Dan McCready. But the election results were overturned by the state after an investigation into an absentee ballot operation on Harris' behalf suggested that Dowless had improperly collected and possibly tampered with ballots.

    N.C. Republican At Center Of Election Fraud Case Won't Run In New Race

    Federal Government To Inspect North Carolina Election Equipment Over Hacking Fears
    Harris was not mentioned in the indictment and he chose not to run in the new election to be held this fall. That race will pit McCready against Republican Dan Bishop.

    Dowless was indicted along with seven alleged co-conspirators. The operative was the alleged ringleader in a scheme instructing his co-conspirators to sign certifications that falsely stated they had seen a voter vote by absentee ballot, and improperly mailing in absentee ballots for someone who had not mailed it themselves.

    This is the second set of charges for Dowless, who was arrested in February and accused of interfering in the district's primary election. He was charged then with three counts of felonious obstruction of justice, two counts of conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice and two counts of possession of absentee ballots.

    State and federal authorities are still investigating the case, according to Freeman's statement.
  9. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Cool cool, now, let's get to the bottom of this. Why exactly do you think Trump insists it is safe and secure in Florida, but would be an unmitigated disaster in Nevada?

    Some things to consider:

    -Average voter age in Florida.

    -Average voter age in Nevada.

    -Average voter age that supports the Trump and the GOP.

    -They use the same process to vote by mail.

    If you can see where I'm leading you, can you see that the president is attempting to cut off access to vote by mail where it is politically advantageous? If so, wouldn't this kind of manipulation count as making the election less honest? Follow up, see why we're kinda mad about this whole mail-in voting issue?
  10. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I'm not hiding a thing here . . . it's political, of course! Just as it is for liberals to play so hard for illegal aliens to be able to vote, and for no photo ID requirements for anyone to vote, and to fight so hard for voting by mail in so many states.
  11. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Okay, I appreciate the admission.

    Does playing with public health and letting Americans die for the sake of political advantage not sound impeachable, treasonous, or just plain wrong to you?
  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I am aware that President Trump has been accused of withholding coronavirus funds from liberal states, however I believe those accusers are disingenuously co-mingling the denial of funds to pay down pre-existing liabilities unrelated to COVID with the coronavirus relief funding effort . . . A clever ploy, useful to the media, but transparent enough that most everyone knows what’s really going on.

    I consider paying down the debt of liberal mismanagement akin to paying off the credit card of someone who must buy bigger clothes month-to-month because he / she won’t stop eating a quart of ice cream every day.
  13. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    And I am aware there's plenty of potential treasonous things he's done, but in this case I was referring to the topic of mail in voting. Forcing people to go to physical polls will cause spikes, willfully causing spikes of a deadly pathogen for personal political gain is treasonous.
  14. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    So Trump's vote shouldn't count
  15. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    Do you realize how out of touch you sound?
  16. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    So, hold the election in outdoor venues with long lines, appropriately spaced.
  17. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Seems a fair trade for invalidating all of the mailed in votes.
  18. JohnHamilton

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    I will quite willing to stay out of touch with evil. I know what he is. If this site were monitored, he would have been disqualified long ago.
  19. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Crickets . . . of course.
  20. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    You miss the point. It's not about how to safely do it in person, it's about there being no safer way than by mail (in terms of public health) and having no empirical evidence that it is more dangerous (security-wise) than voting in person.

    If you really want to get into the question you're dodging, is it treasonous or wrong morally of the president to play partisan politics with this knowing it will lead to American illness and death?

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