Is Tucker Carlson considered a good reporter by conservatives?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by GeneWright, Jul 24, 2020.

  1. GeneWright

    GeneWright Active Member

    Sometimes I watch clips from the other side of things to try to get some perspective. What do you get out of this clip:

    Personally, I find it to be hilarious non-sense. The entire segment was a masterclass in strawman arguement and presentation of correlation as causation.

    I'm not gonna say the man isn't talented at his presentation, but he's definitely a propagandist.
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  2. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    So now Republicans are taking the highroad on the pandemic? Does nobody remember Trump egging on the Right-wing protesters marching on state capitals because they wanted businesses to open? That was only a few short months ago. Does nobody remember Trump calling the coronavirus a hoax over and over and saying it would simply disappear? Does nobody remember Trump holding large rallies with no masks and no social distancing? I know that a large number of people in this country have short memories but most of us if not all of us remember the vitriol hurled at Democrats for taking this pandemic seriously while the Trump Administration refused, and still refuses, to offer a national strategy.

    Now Trump is blaming everyone from the Democrats to China but never himself.
  3. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    On the Nature of the Outbreak

    When: Friday, February 7, and Wednesday, February 19
    The claim: The coronavirus would weaken “when we get into April, in the warmer weather—that has a very negative effect on that, and that type of a virus.”
    The truth: It’s too early to tell if the virus’s spread will be dampened by warmer conditions. Respiratory viruses can be seasonal, but the World Health Organization says that the new coronavirus “can be transmitted in ALL AREAS, including areas with hot and humid weather.”

    When: Thursday, February 27
    The claim: The outbreak would be temporary: “It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.”
    The truth: Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned days later that he was concerned that “as the next week or two or three go by, we’re going to see a lot more community-related cases.”

    When: Multiple times
    The claim: If the economic shutdown continues, deaths by suicide “definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we’re talking about” for COVID-19 deaths.
    The truth: The White House now estimates that anywhere from 100,000 to 240,000 Americans could die from COVID-19. Other estimates have placed the number at 1.1 million to 1.2 million. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, suicide is one of the leading causes of death in the United States. But the number of people who died by suicide in 2017, for example, was roughly 47,000, nowhere near the COVID-19 estimates. Estimates of the mental-health toll of the Great Recession are mixed. A 2014 study tied more than 10,000 suicides in Europe and North America to the financial crisis. But a larger analysis in 2017 found that while the rate of suicide was increasing in the United States, the increase could not be directly tied to the recession and was attributable to broader socioeconomic conditions predating the downturn.

    When: Multiple times
    The claim: “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
    The truth: Coronavirus cases are either increasing or plateauing in the majority of American states. Increases in state-level testing do account for some of the increase in cases and, on average, the country’s positive-test rate is lower than it was in March and April. But those numbers obscure the situation in more than a dozen states where, as of this writing on May 27, cases are still increasing.

    When: Wednesday, June 17
    The claim: The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
    The truth: Trump made this claim ahead of his rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, when the country was still seeing at least 20,000 new daily cases and a second spike in infections was beginning.

    When: Thursday, July 2
    The claim: The pandemic is “getting under control.”
    The truth: Trump’s claim came as the country’s daily cases doubled to about 50,000, a higher daily case count than seen at the beginning of the pandemic, and the number continues to rise, fueled by infections in the South and the West.

    When: Saturday, July 4
    The claim: “99%” of COVID-19 cases are “totally harmless.”
    The truth: The virus can still cause tremendous suffering if it doesn’t kill a patient, and the WHO has said that about 15 percent of COVID-19 cases can be severe, with 5 percent being critical. Fauci has rejected Trump’s claim, saying the evidence shows that the virus “can make you seriously ill” even if it doesn’t kill you.

    When: Monday, July 6
    The claim: “We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
    The truth: The U.S. has neither the lowest mortality rate nor the lowest case-fatality rate. As of July 13, the case-fatality rate—the ratio of deaths per confirmed COVID-19 cases—was 4.1 percent, which places the U.S. solidly in the middle of global rankings. It has the world’s ninth-worst mortality rate, with 41.33 deaths per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University.

    Another claim: Trump later attacked “Joe Biden’s handling of the H1N1 Swine Flu.”
    The truth: Biden was not responsible for the federal government’s response to the H1N1 outbreak, as Nicholas has also explained.

    On Coronavirus Testing

    When: Friday, March 6, and Monday, May 11
    The claim: “Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. We—they’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful” and “If somebody wants to be tested right now, they’ll be able to be tested.”
    The truth: Trump made these two claims two months apart, but the truth is still the same: The U.S. does not have enough testing.
  4. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    When: Wednesday, March 11
    The claim: In an Oval Office address, Trump said that private-health-insurance companies had “agreed to waive all co-payments for coronavirus treatments, extend insurance coverage to these treatments, and to prevent surprise medical billing.”
    The truth: Insurers agreed only to absorb the cost of coronavirus testing—waiving co-pays and deductibles for getting the test. The Families First Coronavirus Response Act, the second coronavirus-relief bill passed by Congress, later mandated that COVID-19 testing be made free. The federal government has not required insurance companies to cover follow-up treatments, though some providers announced in late March that they will pay for treatments. The costs of other non-coronavirus testing or treatment incurred by patients who have COVID-19 or are trying to get a diagnosis aren’t waived either. And as for surprise medical billing? Mitigating it would require the cooperation of insurers, doctors, and hospitals.

    When: Friday, March 13
    The claim: Google engineers are building a website to help Americans determine whether they need testing for the coronavirus and to direct them to their nearest testing site.
    The truth: The announcement was news to Google itself—the website Trump (and other administration officials) described was actually being built by Verily, a division of Alphabet, the parent company of Google. The Verge first reported on Trump’s error, citing a Google representative who confirmed that Verily was working on a “triage website” with limited coverage for the San Francisco Bay Area. But since then, Google has pivoted to fulfill Trump’s public proclamation, saying it would speed up the development of a new, separate website while Verily worked on finishing its project, The Washington Post reported.

    When: Tuesday, March 24, and Wednesday, March 25
    The claim: The United States has outpaced South Korea’s COVID-19 testing: “We’re going up proportionally very rapidly,” Trump said during a Fox News town hall.
    The truth: When the president made this claim, testing in the U.S. was severely lagging behind that in South Korea. As of March 25, South Korea had conducted about five times as many tests as a proportion of its population relative to the United States. For updated data from each country, see the COVID-19 Tracking Project and the database maintained by the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Another claim: In the same address, Trump said the travel restrictions would “not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things as we get approval.”
    The truth: Trump followed up in a tweet, explaining that trade and cargo would not be subject to the restrictions.

    When: Thursday, March 12
    The claim: All U.S. citizens arriving from Europe would be subject to medical screening, COVID-19 testing, and quarantine if necessary. “If an American is coming back or anybody is coming back, we’re testing,” Trump said. “We have a tremendous testing setup where people coming in have to be tested … We’re not putting them on planes if it shows positive, but if they do come here, we’re quarantining.”
    The truth: Testing is already severely limited in the United States. It is not true that all Americans returning to the country are being tested, nor that anyone is being forced to quarantine, CNN has reported.

    When: Monday, May 11
    The claim: America has “developed a testing capacity unmatched and unrivaled anywhere in the world, and it’s not even close.”
    The truth: The United States is still not testing enough people and is lagging behind the testing and tracing capabilities that other countries have developed. The president’s testing czar, Brett Giroir, and Fauci confirmed the need for more testing at a May 12 Senate hearing too. They said that the country won’t be able to perform 50 million tests, about what the country needs to safely reopen, until the fall.

    Another claim: The United States has conducted more testing “than all other countries together!”
    The truth: By May 18, when Trump last made this claim, the U.S. had conducted more tests than any other country. But it had not conducted more tests than the rest of the world combined. (As of May 27, more than 14 million tests have been administered in America.)

    When: Multiple times
    The claim: “Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”
    The truth: COVID-19 cases are not rising because of “our big-number testing.” Outside the Northeast, the share of tests conducted that come back positive is increasing, with the sharpest spike happening in southern states. In some states, such as Arizona and Florida, the number of new cases being reported is outpacing any increase in the states’ testing ability. And as states set new daily case records and report increasing hospitalizations, all signs point to a worsening crisis.

    On Travel Bans and Travelers

    When: Wednesday, March 11
    The claim: The United States would suspend “all travel from Europe, except the United Kingdom, for the next 30 days,” Trump announced in an Oval Office address.
    The truth: The travel restriction would not apply to U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, or their families returning from Europe. At first, it applied specifically to the 26 European countries that make up the Schengen Area, not all of Europe. Trump later announced the inclusion of the United Kingdom and Ireland in the ban.
  5. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    When: Tuesday, March 31
    The claim: “We stopped all of Europe” with a travel ban. “We started with certain parts of Italy, and then all of Italy. Then we saw Spain. Then I said, ‘Stop Europe; let’s stop Europe. We have to stop them from coming here.’”
    The truth: The travel ban applied to the Schengen Area, as well as the United Kingdom and Ireland, and not all of Europe as he claimed. Additionally, Trump is wrong about the United States rolling out a piecemeal ban. The State Department did issue advisories in late February cautioning Americans against travel to the Lombardy region of Italy before issuing a general “Do Not Travel” warning on March 19. But the U.S. never placed individual bans on Italy and Spain.

    When: Multiple times
    The claim: “Everybody thought I was wrong” about implementing restrictions on travelers from China, and “most people felt they should not close it down—that we shouldn’t close down to China.”
    The truth: While the WHO did say it opposed travel bans on China generally, Trump’s own top health officials have made clear that the travel ban was the “uniform” recommendation of the Department of Health and Human Services. Fauci and Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the coronavirus task force, both praised the decision too.

    When: Multiple times
    The claim: The Trump administration’s travel restrictions on China were a “ban” that closed up the “entire” United States and “kept China out.”
    The truth: Nearly 40,000 people traveled from China to the United States from February 2, when Trump’s travel restrictions went into effect, to April 4, The New York Times reported. Those rules also do not apply to all people: American citizens, green-card holders and their relatives, and people on flights coming from Macau and Hong Kong are not included in the “ban.”

    On Taking the Pandemic Seriously

    When: Tuesday, March 17
    The claim: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic … I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”
    The truth: Trump has repeatedly downplayed the significance of COVID-19 as outbreaks began stateside. From calling criticism of his handling of the virus a “hoax,” to comparing the coronavirus to a common flu, to worrying about letting sick Americans off cruise ships because they would increase the number of confirmed cases, Trump has used his public statements to send mixed messages and sow doubt about the outbreak’s seriousness.

    When: Thursday, March 26
    The claim: This kind of pandemic “was something nobody thought could happen … Nobody would have ever thought a thing like this could have happened.”
    The truth: Experts both inside and outside the federal government sounded the alarm many times in the past decade about the potential for a devastating global pandemic, as my colleague Uri Friedman has reported. Two years ago, my colleague Ed Yong explored the legacy of Ebola outbreaks—including the devastating 2014 epidemic—to evaluate how ready the U.S. was for a pandemic. Ebola hardly impacted America—but it revealed how unprepared the country was.
  6. JoeNation

    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    BTW The Right-wingnuts are wrong about school openings too. I guess that we have to lose thousands of kids and teachers and parents before they claim that they were against schools openings in the first place. What a death cult of idiots these assholes are.

    And to clarify, I'm referring to the Republican Establishment. Not individual Republicans.
    Last edited: Jul 24, 2020
  7. toughcoins

    toughcoins Well-Known Member

    Reporter, no.

    Editorialist, yes.
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  8. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I didn’t listen to your clip. I think Tucker is passionate about his position and he is eloquent. However I also believe he is guilty of being a polarizing figure. I see no objectivity in his programs. There isn’t much of any objectivity offered in any new programming these days. Bill O’Reilly who preceded Tucker was objective. I won’t watch Tucker. The man pisses me off.
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  9. SmalltownMN

    SmalltownMN Active Member

    I second this motion. I've actually never watched any of his clips, only read some on Fox and still arrive to this same opinion. I skip over anything with his name on it now.
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