Conservative values

Discussion in 'Politics' started by GeneWright, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I keep seeing from several users here and in real life people say they don't like Trump but will vote for him to protect "conservative values"

    1. What specific conservative values are most important to you?

    2. How does Trump represent/protect conservative values?

    I ask because frankly, the disregard he has shown for the constitution, checks and balances, and the integrity of our election process has made it difficult for me to understand how one could rationalize voting for him. So please, if you have time, help me understand the thought process behind this.

    The only thing I won't accept is "he has an R in front of his name on the ballot." Have you really ceded your party and it's history to the likes of him?
     
  2. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    values = white power and money over all.
     
  3. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Number one rule . . . don't ask others to do anything for you which you can do for yourself.

    Unfortunately, that runs counter to the liberal agenda.
     
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  4. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Please explain how Trump and the GOP embody this ideal in a way that Biden would not. Preferably with evidence from the last 4 years
     
  5. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    are taxes and regulations necessary to run a society or are they theft? depending on your answer you may not be worth talking to
     
  6. JoeNation
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    JoeNation Patron Saint of Idiots

    I suspect that you'll only get flippant responses and no responses. This line of inquiry calls for self-reflection, introspection, and a general cognitive thought process that isn't all about themselves. I firmly believe that at the base of all conservatism is a belief that they themselves are better or superior to people they see as different from themselves. White supremacy is the clearest example if not the most overt expression of a core conservative philosophy that sees people like themselves as the top of a make-believe social hierarchy that reeks of judgement and a well-aged privileged comfort. When you are incapable of seeing your own privilege, you are also incapable of seeing the costs others pay for your self-imposed ignorance. The fact that we have at least one conservative here that actually believes voting was intended to be difficult. That the more difficult we make it for some folks to vote, the better off the country is. Of course he speaks from a place of privilege not from the trenches of the disenfranchised. What would you expect? When everyone has a voice, everyone has a stake in the success of this country. When the privileged few have a disproportionate influence over society, they inevitably abuse their own privilege to benefit only themselves.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2020
  7. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    how many of the bootstraps folks would last a year without social security and medicare?
     
  8. JohnHamilton
    Pensive

    JohnHamilton Well-Known Member

    It all comes down to jobs and opportunity. Under President Trump, unemployment was down, the labor participation rates were up and more people were earning their own way, which is a much more satisfying life than living off the government. Under Obama, taxes were high, government regulations were stifling business growth, the unemployment rate seemed to be stuck, and labor participation rates were rising.

    Biden’s handlers want to go back to the Obama model because it increases government control over people. That is the goal of modern liberalism and socialism. Biden himself is too confused to know what he wants. He is a near mindless puppet.
     
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  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    Unemployment and the economy were just fine after Obama dug us out of the GOP mess. You're lying to yourself/
     
  10. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism


    Not in this thread.

    This thread is about conservative values, and not about Donald Trump or even about the GOP.

    Liberals refuse to accept that the 2016 election was a referendum on what the liberal end game is, and how to put a stop to it. Donald Trump was not elected because of what he stood for . . . he was elected because of what you stood for. It was about opposition to political bribery of the unwary by the Democrat Party . . . and we're about to get the same result all over again.
     
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  11. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    what was the 2018 blue wave a referendum on?
     
  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    The fact that 16% of those who voted in 2016 did not vote in 2018 has an awful lot to do with that. I think too many conservatives mistakenly thought they had it in the bag.
     
  13. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    You have an awfully distorted view of the average conservative . . . a blend of David Duke and Gordon Gekko.
     
  14. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    I made this thread and specifically asked how Trump and the GOP represent or protect those values though...
     
  15. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism


    Easy question to answer . . . Far better than Joe Biden and the Democrat Party do.
     
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  16. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Yeah but how have they demonstrated that? The liberals have been asked here over and over to promote Biden in ways that are different from "he's not Trump." I'm just asking you to do the same.
     
  17. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I'll address the question without canned partisan replies.
    • Being conservative means to me that I can make my own decisions and make my own way in this world free of elected leaders choosing what is best for me. And I am not talking about face masks here. I make my own way as a free man. I reap rewards born of my own abilities and efforts. Fairness in my mind is in divvied up in direct correlation to efforts put forth.
    • Being conservative means I believe a free market economy is the best choice for all. We lavish ourselves in the luxuries this free market economy affords to us while we sit in our air conditioned comfy rooms and complain that it is not fair..... My only response is we don't build fences to keep people in. Yes, the rest of the world does want a piece of what we have built.
    • I was born in the 1950's and was in the military when President Reagan was first elected. There was wholesale positive change in the air and that was when I first became politically aware. People were proud to be American. We flew flags and honored the brave men and women that put their lives on the line for our safety. There certainly wasn't a lot of self serving griping going on. I long for America to feel that way once again.
    Do I like Trump the man? No, frankly I do not. However I firmly believe in the conservative ideals that I feel offer our finest opportunity for the masses to succeed. Conservatism is the platform I plan to vote for. Not the man.
     
  18. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Rest assured. I will outlast you fending for myself.
     
  19. GeneWright

    GeneWright Well-Known Member

    Alright, I've got another question.

    Why do socialist policies like Social Security get a pass but we can't adopt anymore? I'm a bit bewildered by the lone wolf mentality conservatism seems to foster. I don't think it's naive or overly optimistic to suggest we work together towards the common good. Plenty of countries already do it. Heck we do it already in privatized ways.

    Think car insurance. There start and end goals are everyone pays in then damages are covered from that pool. We've decided to go and add an extra step by having private companies make profits off that transaction. I know this is a limited example because not everyone drives, but doesn't the concept of cutting out that middleman make sense?
     
  20. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    Two answers.... Every American alive today has ceded a portion the earnings that they have worked for to Social Security. Myself, I have paid close to 200k to Social Security and have paid into that pool every year since 1975. Had I invested that money rather than handing it to the government, I could have already been retired. At this point, you cannot take that back from people like me or anyone else that has paid into this thing..... I do not rely on Social Security for my retirement. But by golly it is mine and I have earned the opportunity to get some of that back. Talk about getting up in arms! It's just a road we have gone too far down to turn around now.

    Conservatism isn't a lone wolf mentality. The premise is no different than the grades you earn in school. If you applied yourself, studied at night and worked to ace your exams, then why should your grade be the same as the guy that partied every night?..... You see it is human nature to take the path of least resistance. If I don't have to study to get a good grade, then I won't study. It's no different in the real world. If I don't have to produce to be compensated, then I will stay in the bed. The misguided assumption here is that everyone wants to do the right thing and produce. I assure you, they do not.
     
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