U.S. Right Wing Extremists More Deadly Than Jihadists

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  1. JoeNation
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    The American Taliban....They don't need no stinkin' laws. :rolleyes:

    U.S. right wing extremists more deadly than jihadists

    By Peter Bergen and David Sterman
    updated 7:43 PM EDT, Mon April 14, 2014
    [​IMG] Frazier Glenn Cross, a 73-year-old Missouri man with a long history of spouting anti-Semitic rhetoric, is seen in a police car Sunday, April 13. He is suspected of fatally shooting three people: a boy and his grandfather outside a Jewish community center in Overland Park, Kansas, and a woman at a nearby assisted-living facility.

    (CNN) -- On Sunday, a man shot and killed a 14-year-old boy and his grandfather at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and then drove to a nearby Jewish retirement community where he shot and killed a third person. Police arrested a suspect, Frazier Glenn Cross, who shouted "Heil Hitler" after he was taken into custody.
    Cross, who also goes by Frazier Glenn Miller, is a well-known right wing extremist who founded the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and the White Patriot Party, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
    Now let's do the thought experiment in which instead of shouting "Heil Hitler" after he was arrested, the suspect had shouted "Allahu Akbar." Only two days before the first anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings, this simple switch of words would surely have greatly increased the extent and type of coverage the incident received.
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    Yet the death toll in the shootings in Kansas is similar to that of last year's Boston Marathon bombings, where three people were killed and the suspects later killed a police officer as they tried to evade capture. (Many more, of course, were also wounded in the Boston attacks; 16 men, women and children lost limbs.)
    In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

    "Since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies...have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology."


    By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 23 people in the United States since 9/11.
    (Although a variety of left wing militants and environmental extremists have carried out violent attacks for political reasons against property and individuals since 9/11, none have been linked to a lethal attack, according to research by the New America Foundation.)

    Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.
    A similar attack to the one that Frazier Glenn Cross is accused of in Kansas occurred in August 2012 when Wade Michael Page killed six people in a shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Page was a member of a white supremacist band and associated with the Hammerskins, a white supremacist group. Page committed suicide during the attack.

    Page is not, of course, the only right wing extremist to have used lethal violence to achieve political ends. In 2009, for instance, Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush raided a house in Arizona, killing Raul Flores and his daughter Brisenia. The three attackers sought to use the burglary to finance their anti-immigration vigilante group, Minutemen American Defense. Forde and Bush were convicted and sentenced to death. Gaxiola was sentenced to life in prison.

    Also in 2009, Scott Roeder murdered Dr. George Tiller, who ran an abortion clinic in Wichita, Kansas. In 2010 Roeder was convicted of first-degree murder. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Roeder not only had ties to the extreme anti-abortion movement, but he also had been pulled over while driving with a fake license plate bearing the markings of the Sovereign Citizens, a movement of individuals who deny that the government has authority over them.
    [​IMG]Kansas shooting victim loved to sing
    [​IMG]Expert: Suspect hated by supremacists
    [​IMG]Son of shooting victim speaks to CNN

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    Cont'ed...


    Of course, the deadliest terrorist attack on American soil prior to 9/11 was the Oklahoma City bombing, which was masterminded by Timothy McVeigh, a man with deep ties to far-right militant circles. McVeigh killed 168 people when he bombed the Alfred P. Murrah federal building on April 19, 1995. Despite this history of deadly violence by individuals motivated by political ideologies other than al Qaeda, it is jihadist violence that continues to dominate the news and the attention of policy makers.

    Some of this is quite understandable. After all, on 9/11 al Qaeda's 19 terrorists killed almost 3,000 people in the space of a morning. Since then al Qaeda's branch in Yemen tried to bring down with a bomb secreted on a passenger an American commercial jet flying over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 and al Qaeda's branch in Pakistan tried to launch bombings on the New York subway system a few months earlier. Luckily those plots didn't succeed, but certainly if they had the death toll would have been on a large scale.
    Yet the disparity in media coverage between even failed jihadist terrorist attacks and this latest incident in Kansas is emblematic of a flawed division in the public's mind between killing that is purportedly committed in the name of Allah and killing that is committed for other political ends, such as neo-Nazi beliefs about the need to kill Jews.

    Part of the reason for this disconnect might be that when a Department of Homeland Security report warning of violent right wing extremism was leaked in 2009, it generated a substantial political controversy.
    In a 2011 interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center, Daryl Johnson, the leader of the team that produced the report, argued that following the controversy, DHS's examination of such threats suffered, stating "Since our report was leaked, DHS has not released a single report of its own on this topic. Not anything dealing with non-Islamic domestic extremism—whether it's anti-abortion extremists, white supremacists, 'sovereign citizens,' eco-terrorists, the whole gamut."

    The threat from al Qaeda and its associated forces has changed significantly since 9/11. Today, almost 13 years after 9/11, al Qaeda has not successfully conducted another attack inside the United States. And since 2011, no individual charged with plotting to conduct an al Qaeda-inspired terrorist attack inside the United States has acted with more than one accomplice. This demonstrates the difficulties today of forming a jihadist group sufficiently large enough to conduct a complex attack anything on the scale of 9/11, and is a tribute to the success of law enforcement agencies in detecting and deterring jihadist terrorist activity.
    Today in the United States, al Qaeda-type terrorism is the province of individuals with no real connection to foreign terrorists, aside from reading their propaganda online. Given this, it becomes harder to explain, in terms of American national security, why violence by homegrown right wing extremists receives substantially less attention than does violence by homegrown jihadist militants.
     
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    Just to contrast this story, Left wing "extremists" around the world in approximately the same time period, have been killed to the tune of over 900 in the last 10 years.

    More Than 900 Environmental Advocates Slain In A Decade As Concern For The Planet Grows

    The Associated Press | by DENIS D. GRAY
    04/14/2014

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    BANGKOK (AP) — As head of his village, Prajob Naowa-opas battled to save his community in central Thailand from the illegal dumping of toxic waste by filing petitions and leading villagers to block trucks carrying the stuff — until a gunman in broad daylight fired four shots into him.
    A year later, his three alleged killers, including a senior government official, are on trial for murder. The dumping has been halted and villagers are erecting a statue to their slain hero.
    But the prosecution of Prajob's murder is a rare exception. A survey released Tuesday -- the first comprehensive one of its kind - says that only 10 killers of 908 environmental activists slain around the world over the past decade have been convicted.
    The report by the London-based Global Witness, a group that seeks to shed light on the links between environmental exploitation and human rights abuses, says murders of those protecting land rights and the environment have soared dramatically. It noted that its toll of victims in 35 countries is probably far higher since field investigations in a number of African and Asian nations are difficult or impossible.
    "Many of those facing threats are ordinary people opposing land grabs, mining operations and the industrial timber trade, often forced from their homes and severely threatened by environmental devastation," the report said. Others have been killed over hydro-electric dams, pollution and wildlife conservation.
    The rising deaths, along with non-lethal violence, are attributed to intensifying competition for shrinking resources in a global economy and abetted by authorities and security forces in some countries connected to powerful individuals, companies and others behind the killings.
    Three times as many people died in 2012 than the 10 years previously, with the death rate rising in the past four years to an average of two activists a week, according to the non-governmental group. Deaths in 2013 are likely to be higher than the 95 documented to date.

    The victims have ranged from 70-year-old farmer Jesus Sebastian Ortiz, one of several people in the Mexican town of Cheran killed in 2012 while opposing illegal logging, to the machine-gunning by Philippine armed forces of indigenous anti-mining activist Juvy Capion and her two sons the same year.
    Brig. Gen. Domingo Tutaan Jr., who heads the Philippine military's human rights office, told the Associated Press that a military investigation showed the three died in crossfire as troops clashed with suspected outlaws. "We don't tolerate or condone human rights violations and we hope Global Witness can work with us to pinpoint any soldier or officer involved in those killings," Tutaan said.
    Brazil, the report says, is the world's most dangerous place for activists with 448 deaths between 2002 and 2013, followed by 109 in Honduras and Peru with 58. In Asia, the Philippines is the deadliest with 67, followed by Thailand at 16.
    "We believe this is the most comprehensive global database on killings of environment and land defenders in existence," said Oliver Courtney, senior campaigner at Global Witness. "It paints a deeply alarming picture, but it's very likely this is just the tip of the iceberg, because information is very hard to find and verify. Far too little attention is being paid to this problem at the global level."
    Reports of killings, some of them extensive, from countries like Central African Republic, Zimbabwe, and Myanmar, where civil society groups are weak and the regimes authoritarian, are not included in the Global Witness count.
    By contrast, non-governmental organizations in Brazil carefully monitor incidents, many of them occurring in the Amazon as powerful businessmen and companies move deeper into indigenous homelands to turn forests into soya, sugar cane and agro-fuel plantations or cattle ranches. Clashes between agribusiness and the Guarani and Kuranji people in the Amazon's Mato Grosso do Sul province accounted for half of Brazil's killings during 2012, the report said. Human rights groups and news reports say killings are often carried out by gunmen hired by agricultural companies.
    In Thailand, Sunai Phasuk of the U.S.-based Human Rights Watch echoed the report's assertion that an "endemic culture of impunity" was prevalent, and that governments and their aid donors must address this.
    Prosecution of Prajob's suspected killers, Sunai said, was a "welcome rarity" in a country where investigations have been characterized by "half-hearted, inconsistent, and inefficient police work, and an unwillingness to tackle questions of collusion between political influences and interests and these killings of activists."
    "The convicted tend to have lowest levels of responsibility, such as the getaway car driver. The level of impunity is glaring," he said.
    After Prajob's murder, villagers lived in fear but in the end decided to sue the illegal dumpers and landfill owners, said the victim's brother, Jon Noawa-opas.
    "Prajob's death has led us to fight for justice in this town," he said. "We can be disheartened and we were, but we also know that we have to do the right thing for our community."
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    AP reporters Thanyarat Doksone in Bangkok and Jim Gomez in Manila contributed to this report.
     
  4. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    The spectrum of Left/Right politics is actually a circle where, at a certain point, the lunatic fringe meets. At that point, the lunatics are difficult to tell apart. Have you wanted to burn down any State Capitol buildings lately, Little Joe?

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  5. JoeNation
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    As usual, you completely miss the message and try...and fail....to make it about the individual rather than the greater issue. My guess is that it is because it keeps you from admitting that your ilk is the true violent lot.

    You do know what the number one terrorists in this country look like don't you? He is politically Right of center, white, usually southern, and really, really into guns and weapons. He basically looks like that guy you see in the mirror every morning. I guess that you can't deal with that reality so you try to make this about me or those Left wing extremists that have been dying by being murdered by again, Right wingers.

    You guys sure leave a large footprint in blood that you can't seem to acknowledge.

    This is what Right wing terrorists look like.
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    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Here, Little Joe. I took the opportunity to graph our positions on the circular chart based on our views regarding violence. I espouse peace while you espouse violence. Since those who espouse violence are, without debate, among the lunatic fringe in our society, your position on this chart is accurate.

    It just goes to show, once again, that you and I are diametrically opposed on nearly every issue. You wanted to burn down the State House in Wisconsin. I called for a peaceful solution. You called for violence in the streets. I called for a calm resolution.

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    Again, you can't admit what your Right wingers are doing so you try to make this about me personally. Nice try but if I remember, your half of the political divide freaked out when the FBI said that Al Qaeda wasn't nearly the the threat Right wing hate groups were and as it turned out, they were 100% correct back then and you were wrong then and you're wrong now for not acknowledging your past mistake. Fact, Right wing hate group terrorists have killed more Americans than Al Qaeda. Proud of yourselves?

    One additional footnote here: The Republican in the Wisconsin State House that was surrounded by protests and screamed at Democrats and forced the anti-labor legislation through and angered me to the point that I said something you can't seem to forget even though I spoke plainly rhetorically and never committed any act of violence, turned out this guys has been accused by two different women of attempted rape. So where is the actual violence and where is your perceived hypothetical violence? Hum?
     
  8. CoinOKC
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    I don't consider your violent rhetoric any less radical than that of, say, lefties Karl Pierson or Chris Dorner. Or Frazier Glenn Miller, for that matter. Radical rhetoric is radical rhetoric no matter how you slice it. These lunatics acted upon their rage whereas you, as far as we know, have not. But, where there's smoke, there's fire.
     
  9. De Orc

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    You can and do have smoke without fire and that is a fact, saying something in anger or on the spur of the moment is something that I would estimate that all members of this forum have done at some point in there life, from saying I could kill you through to something like I would have burnt it down. The difference between this sort of action and killing/maiming people for a political ideal is vast. So Joe might have said something in a moment of anger! so what dont tell me that you have never done the same Coin, because I simply wouldnt believe you.
    I fully agree that extremists from both sides of the political spectrum are mad & dangerous but to brand someone as such from a single comment made on a forum is a bit much. If you have some info on Joe that you are not telling us then feel free to share or take it to the authorities.
     
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    Sorry, De Orc, but violent rhetoric is violent rhetoric. Spouted in a moment of anger or plotted over the course of months makes little difference. It reveals what's lurking under the surface. No, I can honestly say that I've never made mention of wanting to commit arson nor have I ever called for violence in the streets. Ever. Those are the words of a madman, not a sane individual.
     
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    Actually there is a great deal of difference, one is premeditated and the other is not
     
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    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    Premeditation sometimes has very little to do with violent actions. Seldom does it have anything to do with violent rhetoric.
     
  13. De Orc

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    Sorry but are you saying that actions such as 9/11, attack on the marines in Beirut, Bengazhi were not premeditated? If you said that a killing on the streets in a robbery were not premeditated then I could agree with you but we are talking about Political extreemists here and not random acts of violence
     
  14. De Orc

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    You stated that and I quote "but violent rhetoric is violent rhetoric. Spouted in a moment of anger or plotted over the course of months makes little difference.

    I pointed out to you the difference
     
  15. CoinOKC
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    No.

    What I'm saying is that violent tendencies tend to surface in the words people speak (or in the case of this forum, what they write). Had he never said that he wanted to burn down the State House and if he had never called for violence in the streets, I would probably deem him to be a non-violent person. However, his comments indicate otherwise and those are the facts at my disposal in which to make a personal judgment.
     
  16. JoeNation
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    Coming from the biggest hypocrite on the forum, this is rich. As long as it is some militia freak or gun nut or abortion clinic doctor killer, you have absolutely no problem with violence. But if someone expresses a hypothetical, they are the worst most violent scum on the planet. No wonder you can't even approach being taken seriously. You are just beyond any use of reason or logic in pursuit of your Right wing insanity.
     
  17. CoinOKC
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    CoinOKC T R U M P 2 0 2 4

    If you don't like me, why don't you call for the citizens to burn down my house or call for violence on my street? There is no denying that those are the tactics you would employ; you've said so yourself. Even though you don't have the balls to do it yourself (as far as we know), you don't mind sitting behind a computer and spouting your violent rhetoric encouraging others to do it for you.

    You remind me of the old blind sheik, Omar Abdel-Rahman, who called for violence in the name of jihad. He wouldn't or couldn't do it himself, but he didn't mind encouraging other people to commit violence.

    Just a suggestion, but you might want to seek psychological guidance since it's apparent that you have some anger issues. But, in the meantime if my house burns down, we know who will be #1 on the suspect list.
     
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    You had better watch out or he will sick his brother-in-law on you like he tried on me!
     
  19. CoinOKC
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    Yes, he's a violent person for sure.
     

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