Hey, Let's Lie About Our Disgusting Failure!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Recusant, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. Recusant
    Spaced

    Recusant Member

    They actually weren't brought by their parents and they're getting very good treatment, believe me.

    Anyway, the parents don't want them.

    "Trump campaign spokesperson says parents of separated children don't want them back" | Politico

     
  2. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    When was the last time you met a severely hooked drug addict who wanted their children more than they wanted their next fix? Admittedly, drug addicts are an extreme example, but a valid example nonetheless.

    I'm not saying most of the separated parents don't want their children back, or that even 1% don't, but for you to pompously declare that it simply isn't true . . . simply isn't true.

    Of course there may be some who want their kids back so they can recycle them to the Coyotes a second time for another payday . . .
     
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  3. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

  4. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    If only they would have pouted with as much drama when their messiah, Obama was caging them.
     
  5. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

  6. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    [​IMG]


    "If this was a Trump Wall instead
    of an Obama Cage, I could still choose
    three directions in which to go".
     
  7. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    do you ever question what little donnie feeds you?

    At a glance:
    • Claim: The Obama administration built the US border cages to separate migrant children from their families.
    • Rating: MISSING CONTEXT
    • The facts: While it is true that the migrant "cages" were built during the Obama administration, it was President Donald Trump’s policy that separated hundreds of migrant children from their families.
    • Why we fact checked this: The claim was made by the US president during the 3rd presidential debate.
    Complete details:
    US President Donald Trump said during the 3rd and final US presidential debate on Friday, October 23 (Philippine time) that the Barack Obama administration built the “cages” or border facilities at the US-Mexico border, which were used to house migrant children and separated them from their families.

    Answering a question about how he would reunite the separated migrant families, Trump shifted the blame to his predecessor and said: “But let me just tell you, they [Obama administration] built cages..... It was him. They built the cages. They did it, we changed the policy.”

    This implied that the Trump administration changed the US immigration policy for the better, because Trump said that the previous administration – during which his opponent Joe Biden served as vice president – did “nothing except build the cages.”

    This needs context.

    While it is true that the Obama administration built the facilities referred to as “cages” by Trump, these were supposed to be temporary. This is different from Trump’s "zero-tolerance" policy to prosecute all adults illegally entering the United States, which led to the separation of hundreds of migrant children from their families.


    Under the law, once they’re apprehended by the border patrol, within 72 hours we have to transfer unaccompanied children to HHS. And HHS then puts them into shelter and they find placement for them somewhere in the United States,” Johnson said.

    Though Trump suspended the zero-tolerance policy in June 2018 following international criticism, a court document filed on October 20 by the US justice department and the American Civil Liberties Union showed that parents of 545 children separated from their families have not yet been located.

    Trump also made similar claims in the past that he “inherited” the separation policy from Obama, and that he changed it to bring people together.

    American media organizations Politifact and the Associated Press debunked this before and said that the Obama administration did not have a policy to separate families arriving illegally at the border, unlike Trump. – Pauline Macaraeg/Rappler.com

    Keep us aware of suspicious Facebook pages, groups, accounts, websites, articles, or photos in your network by contacting us at factcheck@rappler.com. Let us battle disinformation one Fact Check at a time.

    https://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/f...n-donald-trump-final-presidential-debate-2020
     
  8. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    I question everything that everyone feeds me, including your garbage.


    Most of those children are separated from their families, not by Trump's policies, but by coyotes who "rent" them from their parents, and never return them.


    . . . excuse me? Trump referred to these facilities as cages . . . or was it liberals who first did so? You liars cannot have your cake and eat it too.


    The Flores Settlement Agreement is a Supreme Court decision, and DACA is an Executive Action. Neither of them is law.


    As previously stated or implied in another thread, 545 constitutes a very small proportion of the total minors caught illegally entering this country. Claims that their families cannot be located or do not want them back are entirely plausible, considering the sheer number of kids who were ushered to and across the border by profiteering Mexican coyotes.

    Frankly, considering the total number of illegal immigrants that have been detained at the border over the past 4 years, I'm a bit surprised that agencies have been successful in reuniting all but 545 kids. Ideally, all 545 remaining children should be united as well, but the failure to do so may well have more to do with negligent parents than with the Trump Administration's policies. Again, reality does not serve the liberal agenda . . .
     
  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member

    The facts: While it is true that the migrant "cages" were built during the Obama administration, it was President Donald Trump’s policy that separated hundreds of migrant children from their families
     
  10. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    Very good FD, you're halfway there . . . now, let's get down to brass tacks.

    How many of those 545 do you think cannot be rejoined with their families because the Trump Administration's policies separated them, and how many because those kids were separated from their families before they even crossed the border?
     
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  11. Mopar Dude

    Mopar Dude Well-Known Member

    I have done guard duty at an American detainment camp for the Cuban refugee migration that occurred in the late 1970’s. I have a little first hand experience. Flydaddy having never left the comfort of his computer screen simply echoes what his political hero’s tell him to echo. It merits no serious consideration whatsoever...... Yes, people are detained long enough to be properly vetted. No, the United States government does not separate children to be used as laboratory experiments or whatever spin the left chooses to use on any given day. I never heard more felonious crap bantered about in all my days.
     
  12. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    No but, sadly, you do read the same crap from FD every day . . .
     
  13. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Well-Known Member


    So you're done blaming Obama now?
     
  14. toughcoins

    toughcoins Rarely is the liberal viewpoint tainted by realism

    You never saw me blame Obama for “caging children”.

    I do believe, however, that he gave the nation lip service on illegal immigration, while looking the other way as incentives to illegal entry continued.
     

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